Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So you have concerns he/it might not be good enough?
See, we're not so different.
Welcome to the OL thread circa 1995.
Don't confuse my disdain for armchair GMing with a blind spot for areas of concern. I just tend to give the FO the benefit of the doubt since we have a championship caliber roster. But every roster, even the best teams have positions of concern. It's impossible in the salary cap era not to.
Exactly. It took quite a few years but most fans, even yourself, can see the OL is and has been one of those concern areas.
Offensive line isn't a position. RT is a position of concern since it's an unknown. Last year LG, C, RG were positions of concern because each projected starter was an unknown (to the fans), but it turned out the staff had a better view of those players than the fans. I don't know why this feels like you're trying to have a "gotcha" moment, but if admitting that we're not a perfect team at ever position is what you're arguing against, then count me out of that argument because I've never, nor would I have ever, made it.
It was never about being a perfect team. It was treating the OL with similar vigor they use on the DL so that a 49er QB could have the best shot at winning us a Championship (and life would be made easier on Kyle too). Some coaches clearly try to achieve that with their QB and others feel they can go skinnier there and scheme around it and overcome it in other aspects. Our approach at best, has gotten us the bridesmaid treatment. The ones who have gone the former route have won Superbowls.
Bridesmaid treatment? We're consistently in the running. I've watched a lot of football in my 40 years and getting that final win is often not about who's best. It's about who is luckiest, and healthiest, and hitting their stride at just the right time, or a QB that goes on fire, aas much as it is with anything. And sometimes, it's just about who has the most points on the board when the final whistle blows, which sounds stupid, but these games are sometimes coin flips. One day it goes your way another it doesn't. So you keep giving yourself opportunities, and you increase your chances of cashing in. Fielding a top roster that is a perennial contender is what we should be focusing on, not some strange obsession with one area of our team at the expense of other areas because of some arbitrary equation you've concocted. C'mon, man. So yes, let's continue to address our needs as best as we can while fielding a balanced roster, but let's not get caught up in hyperfocusing on only one area thinking it's going to solve all of our woes.
When you're consistently the bridesmaid, that means you're close but have fallen short of what gets you over the hump. That can be as a result of prioritizing certain positions over others, draft fails at the top, cap space issues, team building philosophy, annual injuries, coaching turnovers, etc.
You don't need to watch 40 years of football. Watch the 7 years here.
And you can see we at best had a QB2, OL3, DL1 that played D2 when it mattered, Team 31st in health on the aggregate average rank, discipline issues, 1990's build model, Secondary3, LB1, RB1, TE1, etc.
I'm glad you are happy being competitive every year. So am I. But this OL thread is just one topic as to why we never made it over the hump. If you genuinely don't believe that, there are plenty of other topics you might subscribe to more instead.
But what I asked you was, do you think this OL is good enough to help get us over the hump when it matters most in 2023?
I would have loved to get those two first round picks back from the Trey Lance trade and choose some good OLinemen from them in this years draft. I know we got Purdy, and so those picks were essentially a wash for finding a gem like Purdy, but man o man - what couda, shouda, woulda happened with the two first round picks (albeit they were at the bottom quarter of the first round) but man! TWO first round picks that could have been OLinemen, would have made this OLine squad elite with Foerster coaching them this year.Oh well, as a result we'll just have to rely on Feliciano and Pryor I guess this season...
P.S. Pryor and Feliciano are big guys, more like gap scheme vs zone blocking guys. I wonder what you make of this.
So to answer the bold, no you don't feel it'll be good enough and wished we had extra top resources to spend on it so you would feel better about it at the point. Seems like a fair take to me. You're saying it's still possible it becomes a tier 1 unit with the current personnel but you aren't counting on that realistically and wished they had added more talent.
I definitely wished we had more talent. I want Moooaaarrrr like Bosa.
The key to a 49er elite line, in my opinion is the further development of the interior line, and having McKivits play at above average to superior level as a right tackle. I dont think he has to be all pro as Brendel and Trent are at that level or above. That still makes a very solid top tier line in my opinion.
Both Feliciano and Pryor seem to be pass protectors first, before run blockers. They are both big bodied and (to me) more suitable to a gap scheme vs a zone run scheme. I don't know if its CMC or Brock (or possibly even Anthony Lynn), but if Kyle switches more to a predominantly gap scheme, it signals a more North South run game than an east west run game. My thinking is if Kyle and Brock think they can dominate defenses with the pass, then a more North-south run game can better close out games. Just my two centavos.
