49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can have Mahomes-envy all you like. Every fan wants a HOF QB.

And you can still appreciate great QB while still recognizing he can't transcend everything. Clearly.

And you can still want a tier 1 OL so that that QB HERE has the best chance to play at that level for his career.

I've never seen so many fans NOT want that in here.

I've never seen one fan go to such great lengths to argue an OL is more important than a QB.

To be clear, I'd love a top tier OL but I want a top tier qb MORE. A top tier OL WONT make that happen. Finding the top tier qb is how it happens.

Dense or denser?

You can have both esp. after 7 years. It's not an either/or situation here.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I would do a trade if we have O line issues. I don't think we need an all pro just good or better than what we have on the right side.

Yes agree we need 3 of our first picks on the oline. I don't see anything with our backups who are going anywhere, basically below average backups.

This is the myopia that bugs me. So spend all the resources on the o line when the secondary is a bigger issue. Makes zero sense.

No team has high round draft picks at every depth spot. You have to build a TEAM.

Both O line and secondary are needs we do have however O line is needed first. We need to develop and hopefully take over in year two. Sometimes they do well as rookies but rare and hopefully our pick will be in the late first round.

The secondary is a need however can be found in later rounds.

The draft is a crap shoot but if we don't start addressing the line the window will shut due to QB injuries.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm trying to understand what PM can and can not transcend.

He can't transcend the Lions defense
He can't transcend a non-tier 1 OL
He can't transcend a WR dropping a pass
He cant transcend a pick-6
He can't transcend 1 point

Man, I'm starting to think the only thing PM can transcend is turning 49er fans into closet Chiefs fans.

Some of us like great qb play. We can tell what it is even when OL play isn't great

Others would rather have average play and continually blame the OL for the average play.

You can have Mahomes-envy all you like. Every fan wants a HOF QB.

And you can still appreciate great QB while still recognizing he can't transcend everything. Clearly.

And you can still want a tier 1 OL so that that QB HERE has the best chance to play at that level for his career.

I've never seen so many fans NOT want that in here.

Dude just take a break from posting for a while. What a stupid comment. You really just don't get it.

LMAO. The dude who had to change his name to a lost bet and who's still picking fights in the Jimmy Garoppolo thread is trying to police the OL thread. Cute.

I'm sure ShanaLynch would love a tier 1 OL but nobody in their right mind believes they are actually trying to achieve that with the resources they've invested (and not).

If you stood for any of your claims here, we wouldn't be able to trace back to your original name

everyone would love to have #1 overall OL, but there is a reality to actually accomplishing that, we definitely wouldn't have nearly the team we have now if we tried

top 5 OL as of now, with a chance to be #1 by years end

Haha.

We could have had better. Think of how much we've wasted on the defense....Witherspoon, Kinlaw, Foster, Moore, etc. on and on.

I love the ranking. Is that PFF?

Let's hope either way, they move up a rank or tier.

Then our boys Brock, CMC and Kyle will be able to do whatever the hell they want.

"We're the 49ers. We can do whatever we want." ~ Jim Harbaugh

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Both O line and secondary are needs we do have however O line is needed first. We need to develop and hopefully take over in year two. Sometimes they do well as rookies but rare and hopefully our pick will be in the late first round.

The secondary is a need however can be found in later rounds.

The draft is a crap shoot but if we don't start addressing the line the window will shut due to QB injuries.

O line can't be found in late rounds?

Who is taking over for Huf when we can't afford him? Who is even gonna be the 2nd and 3rd corner?

On OL you need a tackle to groom for when Trent leaves and a center prospect. Secondary needs a future SS, 2nd cb and nickel corner. And that's assuming Brown is a player.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dense or denser?

You can have both esp. after 7 years. It's not an either/or situation here.

BUT you only want one. Rest of us want both but acknowledge one is more important to have than the other. Top tier ol is a nice to have despite your arguing otherwise. Chiefs just proved that last playoffs with their average play.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dense or denser?

You can have both esp. after 7 years. It's not an either/or situation here.

BUT you only want one. Rest of us want both but acknowledge one is more important to have than the other. Top tier ol is a nice to have despite your arguing otherwise. Chiefs just proved that last playoffs with their average play.

Why do you keep saying that. It's so weird. LOL

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Both O line and secondary are needs we do have however O line is needed first. We need to develop and hopefully take over in year two. Sometimes they do well as rookies but rare and hopefully our pick will be in the late first round.

The secondary is a need however can be found in later rounds.

The draft is a crap shoot but if we don't start addressing the line the window will shut due to QB injuries.

O line can't be found in late rounds?

Who is taking over for Huf when we can't afford him? Who is even gonna be the 2nd and 3rd corner?

On OL you need a tackle to groom for when Trent leaves and a center prospect. Secondary needs a future SS, 2nd cb and nickel corner. And that's assuming Brown is a player.

Yeah, we certainly still have some important needs next year and that's assuming Brock and many others pan out as hoped.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why do you keep saying that. It's so weird. LOL

Because it's factual. You'd take a Center #1 overall if you had the first pick next year.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why do you keep saying that. It's so weird. LOL

Because it's factual. You'd take a Center #1 overall if you had the first pick next year.

LMAO. Over a QB in the same tier of talent?

Come on, man.

The entire POINT of wanting a tier 1 OL is FOR the QB.

I wanted it for Jimmy. I wanted it for Trey. And I want it now for Brock.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. Over a QB in the same tier of talent?

Come on, man.

The entire POINT of wanting a tier 1 OL is FOR the QB.

I wanted it for Jimmy. I wanted it for Trey. And I want it now for Brock.

Everything is a tier now. Convenient.

Yes I absolutely think you'd pass on Caleb for an OL. Zero doubt whatsoever in my mind.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. Over a QB in the same tier of talent?

Come on, man.

The entire POINT of wanting a tier 1 OL is FOR the QB.

I wanted it for Jimmy. I wanted it for Trey. And I want it now for Brock.

Everything is a tier now. Convenient.

Yes I absolutely think you'd pass on Caleb for an OL. Zero doubt whatsoever in my mind.

Then you have issues, papi. Haha

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Both O line and secondary are needs we do have however O line is needed first. We need to develop and hopefully take over in year two. Sometimes they do well as rookies but rare and hopefully our pick will be in the late first round.

The secondary is a need however can be found in later rounds.

The draft is a crap shoot but if we don't start addressing the line the window will shut due to QB injuries.

O line can't be found in late rounds?

Who is taking over for Huf when we can't afford him? Who is even gonna be the 2nd and 3rd corner?

On OL you need a tackle to groom for when Trent leaves and a center prospect. Secondary needs a future SS, 2nd cb and nickel corner. And that's assuming Brown is a player.

Huf, Lenoir and Womack taken in the 5th round. Line we got nothing in the later rounds unless you count McKivitz. Yes it's more of a priority in next years draft.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. Over a QB in the same tier of talent?

Come on, man.

The entire POINT of wanting a tier 1 OL is FOR the QB.

I wanted it for Jimmy. I wanted it for Trey. And I want it now for Brock.

Everything is a tier now. Convenient.

Yes I absolutely think you'd pass on Caleb for an OL. Zero doubt whatsoever in my mind.

There is no doubt in a perfect situation you fix your line, you get seasoned pass catches...then you add your franchise QB.

If you could build from scratch that is the way to go, but in reality draft position kinda forces a teams hand. The media and fans seldom accept "we would break a rookie QB" as a legitimate excuse....but it really should be a legitimate excuse.

I think that played at least a part in Manning vs Leaf.

Manning had 3 1st rounders and a second round pick on his line with a vet PB center (Taken in the 9th round). He was throwing to Marcus Pollard, Marshal Faulk and Marvin Harrison. You dropped a QB into a group of fairly talented people.

Ryan Leaf was dropped into a line with one 2nd rounder, one 4th rounder and three 8th round picks....throwing to Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham.

Teams are screwed either way....you pass on a Payton Manning and it is career killer, but you drop a good QB into a crap team and he is going to suffer.

Hell look what Patrick Mahomes just did with no supporting cast.....

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Huf, Lenoir and Womack taken in the 5th round. Line we got nothing in the later rounds unless you count McKivitz. Yes it's more of a priority in next years draft.

Lenoir and Womack are still very unproven. What has Womack proven that Moore hasnt? All just backups. Lenoir is every bit the question mark McKivitz is.

Huff has been a great ad but you rarely find all pro safeties in the 5th. And wr won't be able to afford him come 2025 anyway.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
There is no doubt in a perfect situation you fix your line, you get seasoned pass catches...then you add your franchise QB.

If you could build from scratch that is the way to go, but in reality draft position kinda forces a teams hand. The media and fans seldom accept "we would break a rookie QB" as a legitimate excuse....but it really should be a legitimate excuse.

I think that played at least a part in Manning vs Leaf.

Manning had 3 1st rounders and a second round pick on his line with a vet PB center (Taken in the 9th round). He was throwing to Marcus Pollard, Marshal Faulk and Marvin Harrison. You dropped a QB into a group of fairly talented people.

Ryan Leaf was dropped into a line with one 2nd rounder, one 4th rounder and three 8th round picks....throwing to Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham.

Teams are screwed either way....you pass on a Payton Manning and it is career killer, but you drop a good QB into a crap team and he is going to suffer.

Hell look what Patrick Mahomes just did with no supporting cast.....

No doubt. I'm not saying they shouldn't address the o line. In fact I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the first rounder.

It's the myopia about the line that it's the only weakness when qb and secondary have been bigger issues the majority of the time for this team.

You got guys complaining about not using high picks on OL when last year our starting corners were both undrafted guys.