49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we all want it. but like what i posted back in June 22 post #26181 Page 1746. it's a process and there is also cost to go with it. you have to balance it out

You've literally been fighting against it for 7 years. LOL

But glad you're on record now. And I totally agree with the balance. That's the center of the whole issue...the disproportionate resources to the DL.

As to your prediction, I already gave you props for that but there was no way you could have known. Nobody knew what we had then. But props nonetheless!

So let's "trust" the process this year and see how McKivitz and the boys do this year.

There's always next year, right?

why would i fight against it? No one is fighting against it.

I'm just saying you don't have to have high first round draft picks across the board at OL to win (your original claim) which evolved into god knows what now which i also disagree with.

I received a lot laughs after 2021 when i said we were ok with Banks when losing Laken, you gave me a few pokes about advocating for Brendal. Burford was a question mark for me but i liked his potential. I don't predict much but i saw enough where i felt to say such a thing after all your posts of how bad we are

There is a process, but you have to also know we wouldn't have the team we have going after high drafted OL every year. The team isn't afraid to upgrade at OL like when we traded for Trent, but those gems don't come up often or that cheap. Maybe the new cap space helps us next year ?

I like Mck and with getting more reps he should get better.



like i said last year, if these guys can stay healthy, we should be a top OL again.. maybe Tier 1 lol

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes this is the point I was trying to make as well.... We need to keep our QBs healthy, I know all the injuries were not all o line but still need to give us more time to exercise our down field play calls. Seperates the defense and a good QB can enjoy more success. Would a Mahomes do better with a weaker o line, yes. Another Mahomes wont grow on trees so need to make sure Brock or whoever our QB is can stay up right.

Personally, I think where you spend a ton of draft capital on the OLine is the left and right tackles, as they have to deal with the elite edge rushers of the NFL. Of course the Left tackle is more important than the right tackle, due to Brock's blind side. I think with the interior line, you can get away with lesser talent, so long as the tackle spots are strong.

The problem I had with the McGlinchy pick was that he was a good run blocker but not a very good pass blocker. On top of that, Kyle loves the play action pass. Some of those play action passes are equivalent of seven step drops in terms of time - to enable the receivers to clear the defense. If you have a bad pass blocker (McGlinchy) on a long developing play action pass, you are just asking for the QB to be clocked at that point. I don't think they ever really brought in any kind of talent to compete with Mcglinchy at that right tackle spot. I'd like that to change in the future.

I hope they found a diamond in the rough in McKivitz, and that he can pass protect better than Mcglinchy. Kyle's system, which is heavy on the play actions, and naked boots, I think really needs that right tackle to be a good pass protector. Even if McKivitz is found to be a good pass and run blocker, I'd still want a high round pick or *two* to be devoted to the tackle spots next year. One for Trent's understudy, and one to give McKivitz some competition.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we all want it. but like what i posted back in June 22 post #26181 Page 1746. it's a process and there is also cost to go with it. you have to balance it out

You've literally been fighting against it for 7 years. LOL

But glad you're on record now. And I totally agree with the balance. That's the center of the whole issue...the disproportionate resources to the DL.

As to your prediction, I already gave you props for that but there was no way you could have known. Nobody knew what we had then. But props nonetheless!

So let's "trust" the process this year and see how McKivitz and the boys do this year.

There's always next year, right?

Here's one possible prospect for next years draft.

17. T JOE ALT, NOTRE DAME
The massive 6-foot-8 Joe Alt has been on NFL radars since high school. His frame will naturally remind people of former Notre Dame offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey, who was 6-foot-7 and 309 pounds at the 2018 NFL Combine.
Alt provides the same allurement with his size; he's just so tough to get around. But where some offensive tackles get by with just being mountains on the edge, Alt has some finesse to his game, too. His feet are light and quick for a player of his size, and that showed up in his PFF stats, as he allowed just a 2.5% pressure rate on 409 pass-blocking snaps in 2022. He also showed his power in the ground game with an elite 91.4 run-blocking grade. He could make a case as the top offensive tackle in the draft.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we all want it. but like what i posted back in June 22 post #26181 Page 1746. it's a process and there is also cost to go with it. you have to balance it out

You've literally been fighting against it for 7 years. LOL

But glad you're on record now. And I totally agree with the balance. That's the center of the whole issue...the disproportionate resources to the DL.

As to your prediction, I already gave you props for that but there was no way you could have known. Nobody knew what we had then. But props nonetheless!

So let's "trust" the process this year and see how McKivitz and the boys do this year.

There's always next year, right?

why would i fight against it? No one is fighting against it.

I'm just saying you don't have to have high first round draft picks across the board at OL to win (your original claim) which evolved into god knows what now which i also disagree with.

I received a lot laughs after 2021 when i said we were ok with Banks when losing Laken, you gave me a few pokes about advocating for Brendal. Burford was a question mark for me but i liked his potential. I don't predict much but i saw enough where i felt to say such a thing after all your posts of how bad we are

There is a process, but you have to also know we wouldn't have the team we have going after high drafted OL every year. The team isn't afraid to upgrade at OL like when we traded for Trent, but those gems don't come up often or that cheap. Maybe the new cap space helps us next year ?

I like Mck and with getting more reps he should get better.



like i said last year, if these guys can stay healthy, we should be a top OL again.. maybe Tier 1 lol

That's the goal my friend...lots of ways to get there. Let's hope this is the way.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we all want it. but like what i posted back in June 22 post #26181 Page 1746. it's a process and there is also cost to go with it. you have to balance it out

You've literally been fighting against it for 7 years. LOL

But glad you're on record now. And I totally agree with the balance. That's the center of the whole issue...the disproportionate resources to the DL.

As to your prediction, I already gave you props for that but there was no way you could have known. Nobody knew what we had then. But props nonetheless!

So let's "trust" the process this year and see how McKivitz and the boys do this year.

There's always next year, right?

Here's one possible prospect for next years draft.

17. T JOE ALT, NOTRE DAME
The massive 6-foot-8 Joe Alt has been on NFL radars since high school. His frame will naturally remind people of former Notre Dame offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey, who was 6-foot-7 and 309 pounds at the 2018 NFL Combine.
Alt provides the same allurement with his size; he's just so tough to get around. But where some offensive tackles get by with just being mountains on the edge, Alt has some finesse to his game, too. His feet are light and quick for a player of his size, and that showed up in his PFF stats, as he allowed just a 2.5% pressure rate on 409 pass-blocking snaps in 2022. He also showed his power in the ground game with an elite 91.4 run-blocking grade. He could make a case as the top offensive tackle in the draft.

Nice. Keep an eye on him. He already passes Foerster's ideal.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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Bob McKitrick made due with 7th round picks ( but chop blocks were legal).

So with with extra cap space are there any great RTs we can snag?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we all want it. but like what i posted back in June 22 post #26181 Page 1746. it's a process and there is also cost to go with it. you have to balance it out

You've literally been fighting against it for 7 years. LOL

But glad you're on record now. And I totally agree with the balance. That's the center of the whole issue...the disproportionate resources to the DL.

As to your prediction, I already gave you props for that but there was no way you could have known. Nobody knew what we had then. But props nonetheless!

So let's "trust" the process this year and see how McKivitz and the boys do this year.

There's always next year, right?

Here's one possible prospect for next years draft.

17. T JOE ALT, NOTRE DAME
The massive 6-foot-8 Joe Alt has been on NFL radars since high school. His frame will naturally remind people of former Notre Dame offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey, who was 6-foot-7 and 309 pounds at the 2018 NFL Combine.
Alt provides the same allurement with his size; he's just so tough to get around. But where some offensive tackles get by with just being mountains on the edge, Alt has some finesse to his game, too. His feet are light and quick for a player of his size, and that showed up in his PFF stats, as he allowed just a 2.5% pressure rate on 409 pass-blocking snaps in 2022. He also showed his power in the ground game with an elite 91.4 run-blocking grade. He could make a case as the top offensive tackle in the draft.

FYI and FWIW Joe Alt is currently being projected as a top 10 pick.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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Bob McKitrick made due with 7th round picks ( but chop blocks were legal).

So with with extra cap space are there any great RTs we can snag?

Exactly!

Next year possibly. Too little too late, at this juncture.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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You're finally starting to somewhat get it!

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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You're finally starting to somewhat get it!

Haha. Only if you can't:
1. Recognize the talent
2. Aquire it
3. Develop it to its ceiling
4. Prioritize it

But back atcha, homie.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Big test tomorrow

Great test. Let's see this top 5 OL in 2022 (All) and see how far they've grown.

FTFY

Lol haha. Purposely twisting something to something else over and over to sneak it thru. Good job not letting it go by.

How the boys doing thus far today?

"Can we be a "tier 1 trending" OLine at any point this year if we aren't tier 1? What I've heard is you can be trending at the right time and that's just fine.

If Colton doesn't improve quickly, he needs to get benched. I get it, it's Watt. But he's still gotta at least hold his own and slow him down. We can't help him every play.

Tired of Kyle's moneyball b******t approach when it comes to the OL. You let McGlinchey walk and your only response is to promote a guy that is a human turnstile to starter.