49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yeah, Foerster liked Zakelj, Moore, and Pryor vs Manning. Manning is a raw talent, he'll take at least a year - most likely two or three - to become a viable starter for the 49er with the talent ahead of him. By next year, 49ers will be drafting at OT high (I hope) next year. Alfredo Gutierez and Leroy Watson round out the practice squad. I thought Alfredo did ok in preseason. I don't remember his name being called a lot.

let's wait till next week against a non TJ Watt team before we freak out. Other than Watt they are only 2 pass rushers on his level and luckily one of them is on our team

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Worst case scenario, we have Alfredo Gutierez.

McKivitz didn't stink up the joint the way McGlinchy did sometimes. I still remember that whiff against the raiders where McGlinchy was bench pressed into the air by the Raider defensive end. 49ers are running - I think - predominantly to the left behind Trent and Banks, and are booting right to pass. At least that's how I'm feeling how this offense operated against the Steelers. 49ers had good success running and passing this last Sunday against (I think) what is going to be a very good Steeler team this year.

McKivitz's name was called only when the game was already out of hand for the Raiders, and I feel that McKivitz mentally relaxed a bit in the second half, rather than got physically beat.

id have to go back and look but I didn't feel the steelers with in the backfield all game I don't think its as bad as it looks I would be interested to see how many QB pressures we allowed in genbeneral. This could be as simple as he is a average RT who played against a top 3 player on the DL

Highsmith had 14.5 sacks last year and Cameron had 10, and the 49er OLine kept them both quiet. Only TJ Watt had any success against that OLine. That was a good Steeler D-Line that was 9th against the pass last year. I remember Aldon Smith racking up 5 sacks against the Steeler rookie tackle back in the Harbaugh days. McKivitz did significantly better against TJ Watt vs that rookie did against Aldon, thank god.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I agree, but only to a certain extent. Maybe Watt is the only guy in the league that can make him look foolish, and I hope to hell that's true. Very little chance we face him in the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is this team is so loaded they only have 2 possible weaknesses. The secondary would be the other, but they looked decent today and can be masked by the pass rush. If McKivitz is truly as bad as he looked today, I'd rather not wait until Darnold is the starter to address it.

A better qb takes advantage of the secondary today.

No doubt McKivitz must improve. I just want to see how much it was facing the dpoy week 1. Got months to get better. It's also entirely possible that he will be like MM and we just have to try and maneuver around him.

I just watched the condensed version and it does look like our two weaknesses were still present: solid C play but the right side of the OL and unit PP (both Kittle & Woerner were smoked by a LB); and of course, the secondary is still a question mark as well but that obviously wasn't as glaring this game.

I don't think we should panic much about either ATM but something to monitor.

PS: ER2 certainly is a big arrow-up, health and starting fast was a big plus! That's huge esp. with Seattle losing.

I think McKivitz can get better, and so will the secondary. I think Foerster can coach up McKivitz to get better and as long as McKivitz stays healthy, I think he will get better. McGlinchy's numerous injuries, I think, slowed his pass protection development down. Pass protection is more of a squad kind of skill vs an individual skill. When McGlinchy is out and can't get reps with his right guard, that pass protection tends to break down specially when the 49ers are on an away game with the crowd noise making communication difficult.

I'm looking for Ambry and Womack to push Deommodore for the starting CB job soon.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Are there any viable RT / swing T available in FA or via trade? Seems like that's our one weakness.

And I don't think we immediately pull the trigger, but that seems to be the place we keep an eye out.

Too little too late, IMHO. We would have needed to address that in the off season and give the player months to learn the intricate system here. We ride or die with McKivitzGlinchey.

Worst case scenario, we have Alfredo Gutierez.

McKivitz didn't stink up the joint the way McGlinchy did sometimes. I still remember that whiff against the raiders where McGlinchy was bench pressed into the air by the Raider defensive end. 49ers are running - I think - predominantly to the left behind Trent and Banks, and are booting right to pass. At least that's how I'm feeling how this offense operated against the Steelers. 49ers had good success running and passing this last Sunday against (I think) what is going to be a very good Steeler team this year.

McKivitz's name was called only when the game was already out of hand for the Raiders, and I feel that McKivitz mentally relaxed a bit in the second half, rather than got physically beat.

Any chance there's a 5th year option guy for a mediocre RT (a la McGlinchey for us) that some team doesn't want to fork over coin for next year?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Are there any viable RT / swing T available in FA or via trade? Seems like that's our one weakness.

And I don't think we immediately pull the trigger, but that seems to be the place we keep an eye out.

Too little too late, IMHO. We would have needed to address that in the off season and give the player months to learn the intricate system here. We ride or die with McKivitzGlinchey.

Worst case scenario, we have Alfredo Gutierez.

McKivitz didn't stink up the joint the way McGlinchy did sometimes. I still remember that whiff against the raiders where McGlinchy was bench pressed into the air by the Raider defensive end. 49ers are running - I think - predominantly to the left behind Trent and Banks, and are booting right to pass. At least that's how I'm feeling how this offense operated against the Steelers. 49ers had good success running and passing this last Sunday against (I think) what is going to be a very good Steeler team this year.

McKivitz's name was called only when the game was already out of hand for the Raiders, and I feel that McKivitz mentally relaxed a bit in the second half, rather than got physically beat.

Any chance there's a 5th year option guy for a mediocre RT (a la McGlinchey for us) that some team doesn't want to fork over coin for next year?

Off the top of my head, these players might be traded for (I don't think they are in their 5th year option period yet though):
Christian Darisaw - Vikings
Teven Jenkins - Bears
Ikem Ekwonu - Panthers
Evan Neil - Giants
Trevor Penning - Saints.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Are there any viable RT / swing T available in FA or via trade? Seems like that's our one weakness.

And I don't think we immediately pull the trigger, but that seems to be the place we keep an eye out.

Too little too late, IMHO. We would have needed to address that in the off season and give the player months to learn the intricate system here. We ride or die with McKivitzGlinchey.

Worst case scenario, we have Alfredo Gutierez.

McKivitz didn't stink up the joint the way McGlinchy did sometimes. I still remember that whiff against the raiders where McGlinchy was bench pressed into the air by the Raider defensive end. 49ers are running - I think - predominantly to the left behind Trent and Banks, and are booting right to pass. At least that's how I'm feeling how this offense operated against the Steelers. 49ers had good success running and passing this last Sunday against (I think) what is going to be a very good Steeler team this year.

McKivitz's name was called only when the game was already out of hand for the Raiders, and I feel that McKivitz mentally relaxed a bit in the second half, rather than got physically beat.

Any chance there's a 5th year option guy for a mediocre RT (a la McGlinchey for us) that some team doesn't want to fork over coin for next year?

Off the top of my head, these players might be traded for (I don't think they are in their 5th year option period yet though):
Christian Darisaw - Vikings
Teven Jenkins - Bears
Ikem Ekwonu - Panthers
Evan Neil - Giants
Trevor Penning - Saints.

Don't want anything coming from the giants or bears. Darisaw by far is the best option but they would be beyond stupid to get rid of him if they plan on bringing a young qb or plan to win. And getting him to play RT wouldn't be easy

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Don't want anything coming from the giants or bears. Darisaw by far is the best option but they would be beyond stupid to get rid of him if they plan on bringing a young qb or plan to win. And getting him to play RT wouldn't be easy

None of those teams are moving on from those guys. They all need building blocks

To answer Buffs specific question the only tackle on a 5th year option is Jonah Williams. Very unlikely the Bengals would be moving him as they are a contender.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Off the top of my head, these players might be traded for (I don't think they are in their 5th year option period yet though):
Christian Darisaw - Vikings
Teven Jenkins - Bears
Ikem Ekwonu - Panthers
Evan Neil - Giants
Trevor Penning - Saints.

Yes please

Our pass rush win rate vs steelers pass rush win rate.

We had 6 D lineman with over a 20% pass rush win rate. The steelers had 2. I honestly thought their pass rush was better than ours and folks in here had me convinced that our pass pro was worse than theirs.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
We had 6 D lineman with over a 20% pass rush win rate. The steelers had 2. I honestly thought their pass rush was better than ours and folks in here had me convinced that our pass pro was worse than theirs.

People don't know what they are seeing. Clear when you see guys lamenting how Hargrave had a bad game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
We had 6 D lineman with over a 20% pass rush win rate. The steelers had 2. I honestly thought their pass rush was better than ours and folks in here had me convinced that our pass pro was worse than theirs.

People don't know what they are seeing. Clear when you see guys lamenting how Hargrave had a bad game.

Perhaps due to run defense? Armstead gets crap for that also. But fans don't understand that the job of our DT's in the run game is to keep our LB's clean so they can make plays.

WTF. Did I watch a different game. Outside of Watt's 3 sacks I don't recall a ton of pressures. Niners d line clearly looked better to me.

what is the backup plan for McSievitz?