49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter.

Not sure who you are referring to but Austin Jackson gave up 4 pressures and Kendall Lamm gave up 5. Colton McKivitz also gave up 5. So I am not sure how they were better than McKivitz.

I'm basing this solely off of the pressure rates in that chart posted. 30% pressure rate is better than 44%. That tells me Miami's O line handled business better than San Francisco's, despite the fact they didn't even have their best tackle. Not sure what argument you're looking for here, and I'm not here to argue.

I thought your argument was that MIA's backup tackle played better than McKivitz. I obviously misunderstood.

I have no idea whether he did or not, didn't watch the game or research the #s.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

I'm with you, NC. I remember during the 90's when Dallas was owning Young, Eddie went out and got players SPECIFICALLY to beat Dallas. Bryant Young to stop Emmitt Smith and Deion to stop Irvin. I guarantee you after beating Dallas the last 2 years, Jerry Jones is building that team specifically to beat the Niners, and what is the one weakness the team has? The right side of the O line. Kyle and Lynch better recognize that at some point, or they will lose to the most hated team in the league.

God, don't remind me! It still makes me cringe. Haha.

In all fairness though, PFF also had Warner as the lowest graded defender yesterday, so how they come up with numbers is a bit head scratching to me.

GTFO are you serious? That was one of his best games. Dude was flying around like a mad man.

• Fred Warner, LB, 58.9, 63 snaps
• George Odum, FS, 60.3, 2 snaps
• Austin Bryant, DE, 61.7, 16 snaps

That hit he put on Harris in the 1st quarter set the tone for the rest of the game. Like I said, no idea how they get their #s.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

If you want it to be, sure. Come to any conclusion you want, but you're not gonna get an argument outa me. Sorry.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

What's surprising about this? Burford had 3 penalties by himself and mckivitz gave up 3 sacks.

Both will get benched if they do it again.

You can't have a guy single handedly getting 3 penalties a game. Lenoir is probably on thin ice for his 2 also.

Honestly also pretty sure we just left watt uncovered and unclipped on a couple plays at the end of the game. Save mckivitz the embarrassment of pushing watt into purdy. Better to just let him run free it seems.

I'm not worried, yet, considering it was their first game playing together (McKivitz and Burford). It's an away game and I'm sure the stadium was reasonably loud during the early part of the game when it was still competitive. I'd give it at least another three games before I'd get worried about mental errors and pass protection mistakes, for either of them. That doesn't mean I'm giving them a pass. If I'm the GM, with 40+ million in cap space and 12 draft picks next year, I'm having my assistant GM calling teams to see what tackle is available and at what price.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

What's surprising about this? Burford had 3 penalties by himself and mckivitz gave up 3 sacks.

Both will get benched if they do it again.

You can't have a guy single handedly getting 3 penalties a game. Lenoir is probably on thin ice for his 2 also.

Honestly also pretty sure we just left watt uncovered and unclipped on a couple plays at the end of the game. Save mckivitz the embarrassment of pushing watt into purdy. Better to just let him run free it seems.

I'm not worried, yet, considering it was their first game playing together (McKivitz and Burford). It's an away game and I'm sure the stadium was reasonably loud during the early part of the game when it was still competitive. I'd give it at least another three games before I'd get worried about mental errors and pass protection mistakes, for either of them. That doesn't mean I'm giving them a pass. If I'm the GM, with 40+ million in cap space and 12 draft picks next year, I'm having my assistant GM calling teams to see what tackle is available and at what price.

I don't doubt it, but as others have said. Ain't nobody trading a tackle worth having unless we grossly overpay. After the Lance fiasco I doubt that happens.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

What's surprising about this? Burford had 3 penalties by himself and mckivitz gave up 3 sacks.

Both will get benched if they do it again.

You can't have a guy single handedly getting 3 penalties a game. Lenoir is probably on thin ice for his 2 also.

Honestly also pretty sure we just left watt uncovered and unclipped on a couple plays at the end of the game. Save mckivitz the embarrassment of pushing watt into purdy. Better to just let him run free it seems.

I'm not worried, yet, considering it was their first game playing together (McKivitz and Burford). It's an away game and I'm sure the stadium was reasonably loud during the early part of the game when it was still competitive. I'd give it at least another three games before I'd get worried about mental errors and pass protection mistakes, for either of them. That doesn't mean I'm giving them a pass. If I'm the GM, with 40+ million in cap space and 12 draft picks next year, I'm having my assistant GM calling teams to see what tackle is available and at what price.

I don't doubt it, but as others have said. Ain't nobody trading a tackle worth having unless we grossly overpay. After the Lance fiasco I doubt that happens.

Not necessarily - ShanaLynch got CMC for peanuts, so in the right circumstances, they might get a Rashaun Slater level player for peanuts if it's a similar situation (in a sense) to Carolina's situation last year.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

I'm with you, NC. I remember during the 90's when Dallas was owning Young, Eddie went out and got players SPECIFICALLY to beat Dallas. Bryant Young to stop Emmitt Smith and Deion to stop Irvin. I guarantee you after beating Dallas the last 2 years, Jerry Jones is building that team specifically to beat the Niners, and what is the one weakness the team has? The right side of the O line. Kyle and Lynch better recognize that at some point, or they will lose to the most hated team in the league.

God, don't remind me! It still makes me cringe. Haha.

In all fairness though, PFF also had Warner as the lowest graded defender yesterday, so how they come up with numbers is a bit head scratching to me.

GTFO are you serious? That was one of his best games. Dude was flying around like a mad man.

• Fred Warner, LB, 58.9, 63 snaps
• George Odum, FS, 60.3, 2 snaps
• Austin Bryant, DE, 61.7, 16 snaps

That hit he put on Harris in the 1st quarter set the tone for the rest of the game. Like I said, no idea how they get their #s.

I use PFF for certain things but their overall grades are simply a shot in the dark and make no f*cking sense sometimes.

Hell sometimes they don't even make sense just due to simple averages. I remember having a conversation with a Packers fan who was claiming Adrian Amos was a better cover safety than Jimmie Ward and brought up his PFF grade in 2020 and how his cover grade was best for a safety at 92.1 but if you look at his per game grades that season he just had 1 game over 90 the whole season. So somehow even though they graded him over 90 in coverage just once that year...his seasonal cover grade was 92.1

Someone tell me how this comes out to be a season grade of 92?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

I'm with you, NC. I remember during the 90's when Dallas was owning Young, Eddie went out and got players SPECIFICALLY to beat Dallas. Bryant Young to stop Emmitt Smith and Deion to stop Irvin. I guarantee you after beating Dallas the last 2 years, Jerry Jones is building that team specifically to beat the Niners, and what is the one weakness the team has? The right side of the O line. Kyle and Lynch better recognize that at some point, or they will lose to the most hated team in the league.

God, don't remind me! It still makes me cringe. Haha.

In all fairness though, PFF also had Warner as the lowest graded defender yesterday, so how they come up with numbers is a bit head scratching to me.

GTFO are you serious? That was one of his best games. Dude was flying around like a mad man.

• Fred Warner, LB, 58.9, 63 snaps
• George Odum, FS, 60.3, 2 snaps
• Austin Bryant, DE, 61.7, 16 snaps

That hit he put on Harris in the 1st quarter set the tone for the rest of the game. Like I said, no idea how they get their #s.

I use PFF for certain things but their overall grades are simply a shot in the dark and make no f*cking sense sometimes.

Hell sometimes they don't even make sense just due to simple averages. I remember having a conversation with a Packers fan who was claiming Adrian Amos was a better cover safety than Jimmie Ward and brought up his PFF grade in 2020 and how his cover grade was best for a safety at 92.1 but if you look at his per game grades that season he just had 1 game over 90 the whole season. So somehow even though they graded him over 90 in coverage just once that year...his seasonal cover grade was 92.1

Someone tell me how this comes out to be a season grade of 92?

Maybe number of snaps? A game grade of 90.0 with 10 snaps is different than a game grade of 90.0 with 50 snaps.

But perhaps looking at the PFF grading system provides a better explanation.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PFF is always odd esp. for OL grades but here you go:

• Spencer Burford, RG, 28.6, 68 snaps
• Colton McKivitz, RT, 45.0, 68 snaps

I'm with you, NC. I remember during the 90's when Dallas was owning Young, Eddie went out and got players SPECIFICALLY to beat Dallas. Bryant Young to stop Emmitt Smith and Deion to stop Irvin. I guarantee you after beating Dallas the last 2 years, Jerry Jones is building that team specifically to beat the Niners, and what is the one weakness the team has? The right side of the O line. Kyle and Lynch better recognize that at some point, or they will lose to the most hated team in the league.

God, don't remind me! It still makes me cringe. Haha.

In all fairness though, PFF also had Warner as the lowest graded defender yesterday, so how they come up with numbers is a bit head scratching to me.

GTFO are you serious? That was one of his best games. Dude was flying around like a mad man.

• Fred Warner, LB, 58.9, 63 snaps
• George Odum, FS, 60.3, 2 snaps
• Austin Bryant, DE, 61.7, 16 snaps

That hit he put on Harris in the 1st quarter set the tone for the rest of the game. Like I said, no idea how they get their #s.

I use PFF for certain things but their overall grades are simply a shot in the dark and make no f*cking sense sometimes.

Hell sometimes they don't even make sense just due to simple averages. I remember having a conversation with a Packers fan who was claiming Adrian Amos was a better cover safety than Jimmie Ward and brought up his PFF grade in 2020 and how his cover grade was best for a safety at 92.1 but if you look at his per game grades that season he just had 1 game over 90 the whole season. So somehow even though they graded him over 90 in coverage just once that year...his seasonal cover grade was 92.1

Someone tell me how this comes out to be a season grade of 92?

It's best to stick to the experts and their tiers. Haha.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

If you want it to be, sure. Come to any conclusion you want, but you're not gonna get an argument outa me. Sorry.

So you did claim their backup is better than our starter. Also, how can you come to these conclusions if you didn't watch the game or even look at any stats?

There was a play where it looked like the steelers ran a stunt with Watt going inside. McKivitz followed him inside to block him. Leaving Burford to try and get around them and blocking the guy looping outside. Miscommunication could have definitely played a role in that side having issues. Along with Mckivitz getting walked back into Purdy's lap on a few snaps. It wasn't all bad though. We need to give it a few more weeks before we start to panick.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

If you want it to be, sure. Come to any conclusion you want, but you're not gonna get an argument outa me. Sorry.

So you did claim their backup is better than our starter. Also, how can you come to these conclusions if you didn't watch the game or even look at any stats?

I came to that conclusion by reading recaps like this.

LT Kendall Lamm 67 snaps, 100 percent - Lamm was excellent in relief of Pro Bowler Terron Armstead, as the Dolphins did not allow a single sack to the Chargers defense. It will be interesting to see if this gives the Dolphins a bit more patience in weighing when Armstead (three injuries) can return.

And watching a game with 3 of these.

3 sacks surrendered > 0 sacks surrendered.

Additionally,
Kendall Lamm PFF grade - 68.1 67 snaps
Colton McKivitz PFF grade - 45.0 68 snaps

In the end, however, this is a message board for fans to post their OPINIONS. So why exactly are you so concerned with how I reached my opinion?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

If you want it to be, sure. Come to any conclusion you want, but you're not gonna get an argument outa me. Sorry.

So you did claim their backup is better than our starter. Also, how can you come to these conclusions if you didn't watch the game or even look at any stats?

I came to that conclusion by reading recaps like this.

LT Kendall Lamm 67 snaps, 100 percent - Lamm was excellent in relief of Pro Bowler Terron Armstead, as the Dolphins did not allow a single sack to the Chargers defense. It will be interesting to see if this gives the Dolphins a bit more patience in weighing when Armstead (three injuries) can return.

And watching a game with 3 of these.

TJ Watt is ON FIRE - 3 sacks today 🔥 pic.twitter.com/YsC4juJXsH

— NFL UK (@NFLUK) September 10, 2023

3 sacks surrendered > 0 sacks surrendered.

I know for some QBs they call that a penalty for a hit to the head. Not saying it should of been.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you know it wasn't the replacement tackle that gave up that 30.4% pressure rate?

It may have been, which makes me wonder why their backup is better than the Niners starter. Keep in mind, they faced Bosa/Mack.

That's kinda a quick conclusion to jump to,...no?

If you want it to be, sure. Come to any conclusion you want, but you're not gonna get an argument outa me. Sorry.

So you did claim their backup is better than our starter. Also, how can you come to these conclusions if you didn't watch the game or even look at any stats?

I came to that conclusion by reading recaps like this.

LT Kendall Lamm 67 snaps, 100 percent - Lamm was excellent in relief of Pro Bowler Terron Armstead, as the Dolphins did not allow a single sack to the Chargers defense. It will be interesting to see if this gives the Dolphins a bit more patience in weighing when Armstead (three injuries) can return.

And watching a game with 3 of these.

TJ Watt is ON FIRE - 3 sacks today 🔥 pic.twitter.com/YsC4juJXsH

— NFL UK (@NFLUK) September 10, 2023

3 sacks surrendered > 0 sacks surrendered.

ticky tac call on Beau and no helment to helmet on Brock