49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Give Brock Purdy time to throw (say 4 seconds in the pocket) and he'll be unstoppable.

Just watching Johnny Del's breakdown and JTO's breakdown of how Purdy can see the field so well, give Purdy 4 seconds and 9 times out of ten he'll be completing mid range passes on defenses all day. Add in a good strong run game with a good OLine that doesn't even have to be average at run blocking - as long as they are above average to elite at pass blocking - and man you can see how hard this offense will be to stop with all the receiving talent they have. Brock's ability to see and read the defense is so elite.

Give any QB in the NFL 4 seconds in the pocket consistently and they should be unstoppable. If not, they don't belong in the league.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. So stupid.

Everyone agrees that it is

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
No its not. It is simply separating o line play from the rest of the offense. If you cannot focus simply on the o line without adding in caveats of what the QB did or did not do on the play and instead use them to make your point about whether the O lineman had a poor rep or not than wtf are we doing here? Just because a QB escaped the pressure by moving out of the pocket or getting rid of the ball just before being hit doesn't exempt the O lineman from being responsible for giving up the pressure in the first place. Regardless of whether the play ended in a sack or not.

You are overcomplicating it Yac

9ers pressure allowed = bad pressure, clearly can't be a tier 1 OL

Every other team = not as bad pressure, still could be tier 1 OL

Guess I'm missing the inside joke here. Pressures are always bad, especially when given consistently. While the team is fortunate to have a QB with better pocket awareness and escapeability, any hit he takes could end his season and our hopes for #6.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by A-R-S:
How did Burford do? All I can recall is the false start (on a freaking end of quarter hard count).

I saw from the highlight clips, Burford and McKivitz are having coordination problems. BlitzBurg was - well - blitzing and stunting a lot. Two of the TJ Watt sacks, I think, McKivitz was confused on what angle to take on TJ watts pass rush, hesitated a split second and Purdy got hit. I think Burford could have helped McKivitz on one of those sacks, but was distracted by a fake blitz.

That last TJ Watt sack, I dont know why Kyle is calling (what looked like) a 7 step drop play in the late 3rd/early 4th qtr, up by over 20 points at that time. Unless Purdy just took too long, and his internal clock wasn't adjusted by Bosa at practice yet. That might be on Purdy for taking too long in the pocket.

I noticed alot of those things you mentioned as well.

Yeah he mentioned they threw a totally different coverage than they expected and it caused the brain fart up and down on that play.

I will say it seems like line play is down overall across the league.

I agree. KC's o line didn't look all that good and PHI's line gave up 3 sacks this past Sunday.

KC definitely doesn't have the talent they did last year. That's no surprise to me at all.

Philly though, they've got no excuses.

I say it is week 1 and no one's O line really dominated. We will probably have to wait several weeks to get a good gauge of which units will become the cream of the crop.

Yeah it's a interesting topic have been worried about it all offseason. Hopefully the right side gets better or could be a repeat of last year at the end. As mentioned is only week one so we shall see.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Give Brock Purdy time to throw (say 4 seconds in the pocket) and he'll be unstoppable.

Just watching Johnny Del's breakdown and JTO's breakdown of how Purdy can see the field so well, give Purdy 4 seconds and 9 times out of ten he'll be completing mid range passes on defenses all day. Add in a good strong run game with a good OLine that doesn't even have to be average at run blocking - as long as they are above average to elite at pass blocking - and man you can see how hard this offense will be to stop with all the receiving talent they have. Brock's ability to see and read the defense is so elite.

Give any QB in the NFL 4 seconds in the pocket consistently and they should be unstoppable. If not, they don't belong in the league.

That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

If Jimmy is the QB week 1 instead of Brock it's maybe a 13-7 win. Brock made plays when things weren't perfect. Thats how QBs make the O line look better.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

If Jimmy is the QB week 1 instead of Brock it's maybe a 13-7 win. Brock made plays when things weren't perfect. Thats how QBs make the O line look better.

But YacBro85 has a good point, give a good (but not great) QB time in the pocket, he can destroy any pass defense.

So by Yac's point, if Jimmy had a good OLine in the 2019 super bowl, he'd be the winner in that game, or so it seems if you go by Yac's logic.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

If Jimmy is the QB week 1 instead of Brock it's maybe a 13-7 win. Brock made plays when things weren't perfect. Thats how QBs make the O line look better.

But YacBro85 has a good point, give a good (but not great) QB time in the pocket, he can destroy any pass defense.

So by Yac's point, if Jimmy had a good OLine in the 2019 super bowl, he'd be the winner in that game, or so it seems if you go by Yac's logic.

I watched Jimmy with time vs Denver. When he was in the RZ, I said to myself "this is the time he usually has one of his bonehead plays". Lo and behold, he threw an interception. Jimmy is good, Brock is great.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

If Jimmy is the QB week 1 instead of Brock it's maybe a 13-7 win. Brock made plays when things weren't perfect. Thats how QBs make the O line look better.

But YacBro85 has a good point, give a good (but not great) QB time in the pocket, he can destroy any pass defense.

So by Yac's point, if Jimmy had a good OLine in the 2019 super bowl, he'd be the winner in that game, or so it seems if you go by Yac's logic.

We had an overall better team than the Chiefs. Difference was QB play. At one point that mfer has to step up. Can't have an all pro roster at every damn position. Eli was winning SBs with David Tyree and Brady with a converted CB to WR and a white midget. Go earn your 100+ mil contract

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

If Jimmy is the QB week 1 instead of Brock it's maybe a 13-7 win. Brock made plays when things weren't perfect. Thats how QBs make the O line look better.

But YacBro85 has a good point, give a good (but not great) QB time in the pocket, he can destroy any pass defense.

So by Yac's point, if Jimmy had a good OLine in the 2019 super bowl, he'd be the winner in that game, or so it seems if you go by Yac's logic.

We had an overall better team than the Chiefs. Difference was QB play. At one point that mfer has to step up. Can't have an all pro roster at every damn position. Eli was winning SBs with David Tyree and Brady with a converted CB to WR and a white midget. Go earn your 100+ mil contract

I'd say that secondary play was arguably as responsible for the loss as QB play. The plays that cost the game IMO were Jimmy's miss to Sanders, the blown 3rd and 15 play and the dropped int.

Originally posted by Giedi:
But YacBro85 has a good point, give a good (but not great) QB time in the pocket, he can destroy any pass defense.

So by Yac's point, if Jimmy had a good OLine in the 2019 super bowl, he'd be the winner in that game, or so it seems if you go by Yac's logic.

If he was getting 4 full seconds sure. But that's Dallas Cowboys in the 90s territory. Not realistic.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Give Brock Purdy time to throw (say 4 seconds in the pocket) and he'll be unstoppable.

Just watching Johnny Del's breakdown and JTO's breakdown of how Purdy can see the field so well, give Purdy 4 seconds and 9 times out of ten he'll be completing mid range passes on defenses all day. Add in a good strong run game with a good OLine that doesn't even have to be average at run blocking - as long as they are above average to elite at pass blocking - and man you can see how hard this offense will be to stop with all the receiving talent they have. Brock's ability to see and read the defense is so elite.

Give any QB in the NFL 4 seconds in the pocket consistently and they should be unstoppable. If not, they don't belong in the league.

That's NCommands point about elite OLinemen. Does the OLine make the QB, or does the QB make the OLIne?

My point was that expecting an o line to hold up 4 seconds in pass pro consistently is not realistic. In most cases, a QB needs to buy time in the pocket after 3 seconds.

I posted this in the Brock Purdy thread but thought it was relevant here as well.

Pittsburgh's blitz rate was over 38% against us. That is higher than the rate of blitzes we saw from MIA & TB last season when Brock first took over. That is the most blitzes our o line has seen under Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I posted this in the Brock Purdy thread but thought it was relevant here as well.

Pittsburgh's blitz rate was over 38% against us. That is higher than the rate of blitzes we saw from MIA & TB last season when Brock first took over. That is the most blitzes our o line has seen under Brock Purdy.

I guess Tomlin respects our OLine alot more than some here. Still got steamrolled,...but if the protection was so outright bad, there wouldn't be very much of a need to try to blitz.

This back and forth remind of those Lebron/Jordan GOAT arguments. Lebron and Jordan will never be the same age to go head-to-head. Likewise,...we'll never subtract 5 guys from the lineup, and see how we do with 6 players on offense. There's never going to be an end in sight.

As for what someone's previously said about what's required to win it all....well...he's been proven wrong time and time again. So guys....it really is time to move forward.

Everyone here thinks the OL is important and the QB is important.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by A-R-S:
How did Burford do? All I can recall is the false start (on a freaking end of quarter hard count).

I saw from the highlight clips, Burford and McKivitz are having coordination problems. BlitzBurg was - well - blitzing and stunting a lot. Two of the TJ Watt sacks, I think, McKivitz was confused on what angle to take on TJ watts pass rush, hesitated a split second and Purdy got hit. I think Burford could have helped McKivitz on one of those sacks, but was distracted by a fake blitz.

That last TJ Watt sack, I dont know why Kyle is calling (what looked like) a 7 step drop play in the late 3rd/early 4th qtr, up by over 20 points at that time. Unless Purdy just took too long, and his internal clock wasn't adjusted by Bosa at practice yet. That might be on Purdy for taking too long in the pocket.

I noticed alot of those things you mentioned as well.

Yeah he mentioned they threw a totally different coverage than they expected and it caused the brain fart up and down on that play.

I will say it seems like line play is down overall across the league.

I agree. KC's o line didn't look all that good and PHI's line gave up 3 sacks this past Sunday.

KC definitely doesn't have the talent they did last year. That's no surprise to me at all.

Philly though, they've got no excuses.

I say it is week 1 and no one's O line really dominated. We will probably have to wait several weeks to get a good gauge of which units will become the cream of the crop.

Totally agree.