49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya'll still doing the QB-must-transcend thing? And the OL-makes-the-QB thing?

When is everyone going to learn they make each other. Or at least, give the other the best chance to succeed the most.

If you want the best odds, you need both to be playing at the highest level possible.

Stop fighting.

One makes the other more. All anyone has ever said. One is also more important than the other, as evidenced on Sunday.

Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Bingo!

As for Bubba - Chris Dolman basically ended his career by just making him a turnstyle in the '87 playoff year. We were 14-2 (or something like that) and Blubber just blows it for the whole team. <sigh>

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

We differ in the degree only.

Unless you pivot to every tier 1 QB losing because they had a tier 7 OL, evidence lacks your side esp. in the recent era.

Can a tier 1 QB win a Superbowl with a tier 2 or worse OL? Sure. But let me know when that ACTUALLY happens. Until then, I'll go with the evidence: you need both.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I'm checking this thread as often as I did the Bosa thread waiting for his contract signing. Just really hoping we sign a RT….

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

We differ in the degree only.

Unless you pivot to every tier 1 QB losing because they had a tier 7 OL, evidence lacks your side esp. in the recent era.

Can a tier 1 QB win a Superbowl with a tier 2 or worse OL? Sure. But let me know when that ACTUALLY happens. Until then, I'll go with the evidence: you need both.

can a OL be tier 1 with a losing season ?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya'll still doing the QB-must-transcend thing? And the OL-makes-the-QB thing?

When is everyone going to learn they make each other. Or at least, give the other the best chance to succeed the most.

If you want the best odds, you need both to be playing at the highest level possible.

Stop fighting.

One makes the other more. All anyone has ever said. One is also more important than the other, as evidenced on Sunday.

Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

Bingo!

As for Bubba - Chris Dolman basically ended his career by just making him a turnstyle in the '87 playoff year. We were 14-2 (or something like that) and Blubber just blows it for the whole team. <sigh>

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

We differ in the degree only.

Unless you pivot to every tier 1 QB losing because they had a tier 7 OL, evidence lacks your side esp. in the recent era.

Can a tier 1 QB win a Superbowl with a tier 2 or worse OL? Sure. But let me know when that ACTUALLY happens. Until then, I'll go with the evidence: you need both.

can a OL be tier 1 with a losing season ?

Oh God yes!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not nearly as much as you'd like to think and we've got a gazillion L's to prove it. Just like we have a number of top OL's who can't help a crappy QB either. Both can only do so much.

The degree is not as big as you'd like to believe; not even for your favorite outlier player in Patrick Mahomes.

As to importance? Sure. QB is the most important player in any team sport even if he hands if off for 180 yards a game.

It's exactly as much as I and others think.

You are the one with the disconnect about you can't win a title without a tier one OL. Has anyone else said you CANT win a title without a tier one QB? Nope because you absolutely can.

We differ in the degree only.

Unless you pivot to every tier 1 QB losing because they had a tier 7 OL, evidence lacks your side esp. in the recent era.

Can a tier 1 QB win a Superbowl with a tier 2 or worse OL? Sure. But let me know when that ACTUALLY happens. Until then, I'll go with the evidence: you need both.

can a OL be tier 1 with a losing season ?

Oh God yes!

doubt it. all rankings are based on the team winning.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

It doesn't depend because that leaves it up to your opinion vs everyone elses. Be decisive and give us a parameter in which we can set the standard.

By the way, PHI is currently ranked 25th in PBLK and 13th in RBLK.