49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

It doesn't depend because that leaves it up to your opinion vs everyone elses. Be decisive and give us a parameter in which we can set the standard.

By the way, PHI is currently ranked 25th in PBLK and 13th in RBLK.

That's not my standard. It's BT's. And it's been spot on annually. That's why I keep referencing it as a starting, mid and playoff point.

And some years they have 3 in tier 1...or just 1. So it's their standard.

Seems irelevant to our discussions in general if there is no clear cut definition for what makes a tier 1 o line. It gives too much room to move goal posts. There should be clear cut tiers or else it leaves things up to your opinion (BT's) vs everyone elses. But I know you by now. You'll never comit to anything on here which is why everyone gets so frustrated with you.

Going by your (BT's) standard, the only tier 1 o line last season was PHI and perhaps DET. DET didn't even make the playoffs and KC's tier 2-3 o line beat PHI in the SB.

Huh? OL's don't play each other. LOL

No, their only two teams in tier 1 OL's from last year faced off in the Superbowl. One was going to win, one was going to lose. The fact that both their tier OL made the Superbowl is a pretty good indication they had accurate tiers.

This year it's Philly and now, Detroit. KC is no longer in tier 1. And Detroit OL > KC's OL as we just saw. So again, they were accurate. And have been for years.

You can look to PFF for your metrics. That's fine. I'll pivot to SME's on talent and ability and that's what typically shows up when it's needed most.

Really? The team with the premier tier 1 o line lossed the SB to a team with a tier 2-3 o line. Is that worded better for you?

KC didn't have a tier 1 o line last season either. Check their efficiency stats since we cannot agree on rankings. Patrick Mahomes was the 4th highest pressured QB in the playoffs, had the most scrambles (7) and their running game averaged 3.2 YPA.

You're making up the first part. I already showed you they were tier 1. All year.

Sure, and PFF can tell me Jerry Rice is only an average receiver too.

You're looking for that golden stat for the OL and you're never going to find it. Stick with the SME's who actually know OL and DL play.

Do I really need to pull up regular season efficiency stats as well? I told you before that I take rankings with a grain of salt and as soon as you talk down on pff's rankings and boost up anothers, I start hitting you with statistical facts. Tell me in which statistical category KC's o line was tier 1 whether it was regular season or playoffs?

Golden stat? I gave you 3 that prove you and BT wrong. What other stats are there? As far as I am concerned and probably everybody else is as well, you have really nothing to back your claims up with besides some ranking that no one else even backs you up on. That is something that you accuse me of with pff. Which isn't actually true because I also use, espn, the pro football data base, pfr, my own two eyes, etc. Just admit that KC's o line didn't fit your tier 1 standard and still won the SB so that we can move onto more interesting and current topics.

You've got it backwards. You should be taking PFF with a grain of salt, IMHO. Have you SEEN PFF rankings? Sure, take those with a grain of salt. Those have been horrendously comical over the years.

But ones where there is 100% dedication to only the trenches that have proven its worth and expertise over the years, those are far more reliable and accurate than an 18 year old with a clicker, an operational definition and a nachos addiction.

The beauty and genius about PFF is one can find any stat to fit a narrative. A perfect example is how you completely ignored Burford's and McKivitz individual grades and pivot to an "overall" stat to say, "See, it was good!." When everybody knows it was very poor and is going to cost you in the playoffs.

I'll respectfully have to disagree with you on this topic.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

It doesn't depend because that leaves it up to your opinion vs everyone elses. Be decisive and give us a parameter in which we can set the standard.

By the way, PHI is currently ranked 25th in PBLK and 13th in RBLK.

That's not my standard. It's BT's. And it's been spot on annually. That's why I keep referencing it as a starting, mid and playoff point.

And some years they have 3 in tier 1...or just 1. So it's their standard.

Seems irelevant to our discussions in general if there is no clear cut definition for what makes a tier 1 o line. It gives too much room to move goal posts. There should be clear cut tiers or else it leaves things up to your opinion (BT's) vs everyone elses. But I know you by now. You'll never comit to anything on here which is why everyone gets so frustrated with you.

Going by your (BT's) standard, the only tier 1 o line last season was PHI and perhaps DET. DET didn't even make the playoffs and KC's tier 2-3 o line beat PHI in the SB.

Huh? OL's don't play each other. LOL

No, their only two teams in tier 1 OL's from last year faced off in the Superbowl. One was going to win, one was going to lose. The fact that both their tier OL made the Superbowl is a pretty good indication they had accurate tiers.

This year it's Philly and now, Detroit. KC is no longer in tier 1. And Detroit OL > KC's OL as we just saw. So again, they were accurate. And have been for years.

You can look to PFF for your metrics. That's fine. I'll pivot to SME's on talent and ability and that's what typically shows up when it's needed most.

Really? The team with the premier tier 1 o line lossed the SB to a team with a tier 2-3 o line. Is that worded better for you?

KC didn't have a tier 1 o line last season either. Check their efficiency stats since we cannot agree on rankings. Patrick Mahomes was the 4th highest pressured QB in the playoffs, had the most scrambles (7) and their running game averaged 3.2 YPA.

You're making up the first part. I already showed you they were tier 1. All year.

Sure, and PFF can tell me Jerry Rice is only an average receiver too.

You're looking for that golden stat for the OL and you're never going to find it. Stick with the SME's who actually know OL and DL play.

Do I really need to pull up regular season efficiency stats as well? I told you before that I take rankings with a grain of salt and as soon as you talk down on pff's rankings and boost up anothers, I start hitting you with statistical facts. Tell me in which statistical category KC's o line was tier 1 whether it was regular season or playoffs?

Golden stat? I gave you 3 that prove you and BT wrong. What other stats are there? As far as I am concerned and probably everybody else is as well, you have really nothing to back your claims up with besides some ranking that no one else even backs you up on. That is something that you accuse me of with pff. Which isn't actually true because I also use, espn, the pro football data base, pfr, my own two eyes, etc. Just admit that KC's o line didn't fit your tier 1 standard and still won the SB so that we can move onto more interesting and current topics.

You've got it backwards. You should be taking PFF with a grain of salt, IMHO. Have you SEEN PFF rankings? Sure, take those with a grain of salt. Those have been horrendously comical over the years.

But ones where there is 100% dedication to only the trenches that have proven its worth and expertise over the years, those are far more reliable and accurate than an 18 year old with a clicker, an operational definition and a nachos addiction.

The beauty and genius about PFF is one can find any stat to fit a narrative. A perfect example is how you completely ignored Burford's and McKivitz individual grades and pivot to an "overall" stat to say, "See, it was good!." When everybody knows it was very poor and is going to cost you in the playoffs.

I'll respectfully have to disagree with you on this topic.

PFF OL rankings are their worst ones. I've b***hed about them many times so won't get into it again.

I did find myself turning into you last night though. Eagles don't worry me like they did last year(at leas not after the first 2 weeks) but I do envy what they've been doing with their OL.

Best OL in the game right now and i don't think it's close and here are their top 3 round OL picks in the last few seasons. I'll start with Lane Johnson draft

2013 - Lane Johnson #4 overall
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Isaac Seumalo #79 overall
2017 - none
2018 - none (found Jordan Mailata in the 7th round)
2019 - Andre Dillard #22 overall
2020 - none
2021 - Landon Dickerson #37 overall
2022 - Cam Jurgens #51 overall
2023 - Tyler Steen #65 overall

They won a SB in 2017 with arguably the best OL in the NFL that season and clearly made it a priority to maintain that strength since then. Obviously they hit on some late round guys who turned into studs between Kelce(6th round) and Mailata(7th round) but making OL a priority has certainly made them a better team.

My hope is that we have enough this year but I hope we start doing more of that on our own as we move forward. I think Brock is legit but we gotta protect the kid.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

It doesn't depend because that leaves it up to your opinion vs everyone elses. Be decisive and give us a parameter in which we can set the standard.

By the way, PHI is currently ranked 25th in PBLK and 13th in RBLK.

That's not my standard. It's BT's. And it's been spot on annually. That's why I keep referencing it as a starting, mid and playoff point.

And some years they have 3 in tier 1...or just 1. So it's their standard.

Seems irelevant to our discussions in general if there is no clear cut definition for what makes a tier 1 o line. It gives too much room to move goal posts. There should be clear cut tiers or else it leaves things up to your opinion (BT's) vs everyone elses. But I know you by now. You'll never comit to anything on here which is why everyone gets so frustrated with you.

Going by your (BT's) standard, the only tier 1 o line last season was PHI and perhaps DET. DET didn't even make the playoffs and KC's tier 2-3 o line beat PHI in the SB.

Huh? OL's don't play each other. LOL

No, their only two teams in tier 1 OL's from last year faced off in the Superbowl. One was going to win, one was going to lose. The fact that both their tier OL made the Superbowl is a pretty good indication they had accurate tiers.

This year it's Philly and now, Detroit. KC is no longer in tier 1. And Detroit OL > KC's OL as we just saw. So again, they were accurate. And have been for years.

You can look to PFF for your metrics. That's fine. I'll pivot to SME's on talent and ability and that's what typically shows up when it's needed most.

Really? The team with the premier tier 1 o line lossed the SB to a team with a tier 2-3 o line. Is that worded better for you?

KC didn't have a tier 1 o line last season either. Check their efficiency stats since we cannot agree on rankings. Patrick Mahomes was the 4th highest pressured QB in the playoffs, had the most scrambles (7) and their running game averaged 3.2 YPA.

You're making up the first part. I already showed you they were tier 1. All year.

Sure, and PFF can tell me Jerry Rice is only an average receiver too.

You're looking for that golden stat for the OL and you're never going to find it. Stick with the SME's who actually know OL and DL play.

Do I really need to pull up regular season efficiency stats as well? I told you before that I take rankings with a grain of salt and as soon as you talk down on pff's rankings and boost up anothers, I start hitting you with statistical facts. Tell me in which statistical category KC's o line was tier 1 whether it was regular season or playoffs?

Golden stat? I gave you 3 that prove you and BT wrong. What other stats are there? As far as I am concerned and probably everybody else is as well, you have really nothing to back your claims up with besides some ranking that no one else even backs you up on. That is something that you accuse me of with pff. Which isn't actually true because I also use, espn, the pro football data base, pfr, my own two eyes, etc. Just admit that KC's o line didn't fit your tier 1 standard and still won the SB so that we can move onto more interesting and current topics.

You've got it backwards. You should be taking PFF with a grain of salt, IMHO. Have you SEEN PFF rankings? Sure, take those with a grain of salt. Those have been horrendously comical over the years.

But ones where there is 100% dedication to only the trenches that have proven its worth and expertise over the years, those are far more reliable and accurate than an 18 year old with a clicker, an operational definition and a nachos addiction.

The beauty and genius about PFF is one can find any stat to fit a narrative. A perfect example is how you completely ignored Burford's and McKivitz individual grades and pivot to an "overall" stat to say, "See, it was good!." When everybody knows it was very poor and is going to cost you in the playoffs.

I'll respectfully have to disagree with you on this topic.

PFF OL rankings are their worst ones. I've b***hed about them many times so won't get into it again.

I did find myself turning into you last night though. Eagles don't worry me like they did last year(at leas not after the first 2 weeks) but I do envy what they've been doing with their OL.

Best OL in the game right now and i don't think it's close and here are their top 3 round OL picks in the last few seasons. I'll start with Lane Johnson draft

2013 - Lane Johnson #4 overall
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Isaac Seumalo #79 overall
2017 - none
2018 - none (found Jordan Mailata in the 7th round)
2019 - Andre Dillard #22 overall
2020 - none
2021 - Landon Dickerson #37 overall
2022 - Cam Jurgens #51 overall
2023 - Tyler Steen #65 overall

They won a SB in 2017 with arguably the best OL in the NFL that season and clearly made it a priority to maintain that strength since then. Obviously they hit on some late round guys who turned into studs between Kelce(6th round) and Mailata(7th round) but making OL a priority has certainly made them a better team.

My hope is that we have enough this year but I hope we start doing more of that on our own as we move forward. I think Brock is legit but we gotta protect the kid.

I could not have said it better. I appreciate the post and perspective.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

You are conflating the small sample of a few that you are. reading for free with what is actually in the whole article if you read the entire thing

I'm not sure if this is English or not but I think you're saying I'm only focusing on the tier 1's. That's accurate as that is what I'd like to achieve here. We've done that with the defense numerous times. Tier 1's are the topic of the subject/goal/formula...and Superbowl wins.

I'm saying you can't even definitively say how many teams are in tier 1, or any tier for that matter, because you only read the freebie s**t because you won't pay for the article. You just trot out the 1st few you see. I asked you if you really even knew how many were in tier 1 and you couldn't say. And this is the s**t you cite which is lame. You also did it again the other day when ragging on the OL after the PIT game…then acknowledging you hadn't even watched. But hey at least you watched the condensed version,later…whatever that means 😂Be better

The "free" article covers all the tier 1 teams...for free. No need to see or buy anything else unless you're a betting man. YAC should.

That's more BS from your crew (like, good pressures). Sad you continue to warp reality. I was driving and asked 9ers4eva and others how it went as it 'sounded' like from reading the WZ real quick, the right side was still a concern and McKivitz was victimized. He clarified until I could get home and watch the game.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

You are conflating the small sample of a few that you are. reading for free with what is actually in the whole article if you read the entire thing

I'm not sure if this is English or not but I think you're saying I'm only focusing on the tier 1's. That's accurate as that is what I'd like to achieve here. We've done that with the defense numerous times. Tier 1's are the topic of the subject/goal/formula...and Superbowl wins.

I'm saying you can't even definitively say how many teams are in tier 1, or any tier for that matter, because you only read the freebie s**t because you won't pay for the article. You just trot out the 1st few you see. I asked you if you really even knew how many were in tier 1 and you couldn't say. And this is the s**t you cite which is lame. You also did it again the other day when ragging on the OL after the PIT game…then acknowledging you hadn't even watched. But hey at least you watched the condensed version,later…whatever that means 😂Be better

The "free" article covers all the tier 1 teams...for free. No need to see or buy anything else unless you're a betting man. YAC should.

That's more BS from your crew (like, good pressures). Sad you continue to warp reality. I was driving and asked 9ers4eva and others how it went as it 'sounded' like from reading the WZ real quick, the right side was still a concern and McKivitz was victimized. He clarified until I could get home and watch the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did he really use the term "good pressures"? 🤣

No.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is a tier 1 a top 5, top 3 or #1?

It depends. This year, there are only 2 teams in the tier 1 OL. Eagles and Lions.

There are 3 on the DL: Cowboys, 49ers and Steelers.

It doesn't depend because that leaves it up to your opinion vs everyone elses. Be decisive and give us a parameter in which we can set the standard.

By the way, PHI is currently ranked 25th in PBLK and 13th in RBLK.

That's not my standard. It's BT's. And it's been spot on annually. That's why I keep referencing it as a starting, mid and playoff point.

And some years they have 3 in tier 1...or just 1. So it's their standard.

Seems irelevant to our discussions in general if there is no clear cut definition for what makes a tier 1 o line. It gives too much room to move goal posts. There should be clear cut tiers or else it leaves things up to your opinion (BT's) vs everyone elses. But I know you by now. You'll never comit to anything on here which is why everyone gets so frustrated with you.

Going by your (BT's) standard, the only tier 1 o line last season was PHI and perhaps DET. DET didn't even make the playoffs and KC's tier 2-3 o line beat PHI in the SB.

Huh? OL's don't play each other. LOL

No, their only two teams in tier 1 OL's from last year faced off in the Superbowl. One was going to win, one was going to lose. The fact that both their tier OL made the Superbowl is a pretty good indication they had accurate tiers.

This year it's Philly and now, Detroit. KC is no longer in tier 1. And Detroit OL > KC's OL as we just saw. So again, they were accurate. And have been for years.

You can look to PFF for your metrics. That's fine. I'll pivot to SME's on talent and ability and that's what typically shows up when it's needed most.

Really? The team with the premier tier 1 o line lossed the SB to a team with a tier 2-3 o line. Is that worded better for you?

KC didn't have a tier 1 o line last season either. Check their efficiency stats since we cannot agree on rankings. Patrick Mahomes was the 4th highest pressured QB in the playoffs, had the most scrambles (7) and their running game averaged 3.2 YPA.

You're making up the first part. I already showed you they were tier 1. All year.

Sure, and PFF can tell me Jerry Rice is only an average receiver too.

You're looking for that golden stat for the OL and you're never going to find it. Stick with the SME's who actually know OL and DL play.

Do I really need to pull up regular season efficiency stats as well? I told you before that I take rankings with a grain of salt and as soon as you talk down on pff's rankings and boost up anothers, I start hitting you with statistical facts. Tell me in which statistical category KC's o line was tier 1 whether it was regular season or playoffs?

Golden stat? I gave you 3 that prove you and BT wrong. What other stats are there? As far as I am concerned and probably everybody else is as well, you have really nothing to back your claims up with besides some ranking that no one else even backs you up on. That is something that you accuse me of with pff. Which isn't actually true because I also use, espn, the pro football data base, pfr, my own two eyes, etc. Just admit that KC's o line didn't fit your tier 1 standard and still won the SB so that we can move onto more interesting and current topics.

You've got it backwards. You should be taking PFF with a grain of salt, IMHO. Have you SEEN PFF rankings? Sure, take those with a grain of salt. Those have been horrendously comical over the years.

But ones where there is 100% dedication to only the trenches that have proven its worth and expertise over the years, those are far more reliable and accurate than an 18 year old with a clicker, an operational definition and a nachos addiction.

The beauty and genius about PFF is one can find any stat to fit a narrative. A perfect example is how you completely ignored Burford's and McKivitz individual grades and pivot to an "overall" stat to say, "See, it was good!." When everybody knows it was very poor and is going to cost you in the playoffs.

I'll respectfully have to disagree with you on this topic.

PFF OL rankings are their worst ones. I've b***hed about them many times so won't get into it again.

I did find myself turning into you last night though. Eagles don't worry me like they did last year(at leas not after the first 2 weeks) but I do envy what they've been doing with their OL.

Best OL in the game right now and i don't think it's close and here are their top 3 round OL picks in the last few seasons. I'll start with Lane Johnson draft

2013 - Lane Johnson #4 overall
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Isaac Seumalo #79 overall
2017 - none
2018 - none (found Jordan Mailata in the 7th round)
2019 - Andre Dillard #22 overall
2020 - none
2021 - Landon Dickerson #37 overall
2022 - Cam Jurgens #51 overall
2023 - Tyler Steen #65 overall

They won a SB in 2017 with arguably the best OL in the NFL that season and clearly made it a priority to maintain that strength since then. Obviously they hit on some late round guys who turned into studs between Kelce(6th round) and Mailata(7th round) but making OL a priority has certainly made them a better team.

My hope is that we have enough this year but I hope we start doing more of that on our own as we move forward. I think Brock is legit but we gotta protect the kid.

I could not have said it better. I appreciate the post and perspective.

so we're a RT away from being the top OL and done it in a shorter time? nice

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did he really use the term "good pressures"? 🤣

No.

Originally posted by genus49:
PFF OL rankings are their worst ones. I've b***hed about them many times so won't get into it again.

I did find myself turning into you last night though. Eagles don't worry me like they did last year(at leas not after the first 2 weeks) but I do envy what they've been doing with their OL.

Best OL in the game right now and i don't think it's close and here are their top 3 round OL picks in the last few seasons. I'll start with Lane Johnson draft

2013 - Lane Johnson #4 overall
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Isaac Seumalo #79 overall
2017 - none
2018 - none (found Jordan Mailata in the 7th round)
2019 - Andre Dillard #22 overall
2020 - none
2021 - Landon Dickerson #37 overall
2022 - Cam Jurgens #51 overall
2023 - Tyler Steen #65 overall

They won a SB in 2017 with arguably the best OL in the NFL that season and clearly made it a priority to maintain that strength since then. Obviously they hit on some late round guys who turned into studs between Kelce(6th round) and Mailata(7th round) but making OL a priority has certainly made them a better team.

My hope is that we have enough this year but I hope we start doing more of that on our own as we move forward. I think Brock is legit but we gotta protect the kid.

They have also had the picks to do that because they don't trade up for guys they fall in love with. That is the biggest thing the 9ers need to stop doing.

I expect a tackle next year and they could address center as well. A lot of times it's value when you pick. I had zero problem with passing on tackles this year because I did t think any of them were that impressive but I do wish they would've looked at center.

Eagles also haven't gotten the memo that DTs are a dime a dozen.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did he really use the term "good pressures"? 🤣

No.

That would be very simple to prove. Prove it you two.

Saying not all pressures are equal does not equate, "good pressure." LOL. No pressure is "good."

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would be very simple to prove. Prove it you two.

Saying not all pressures are equal does not equate, "good pressure." LOL. No pressure is "good."

Yet in the 2021 offseason when ALL OF US were saying that exact same thing all you did was point back to pressure rate in the Rams game.

You are a glaring hypocrite on the subject. You made excuses for the Chiefs simply because of your narrative.

Hell I'm sure Yac remembers doing the deep dive into exactly how long Jimmy had to throw the ball and you STILL wouldn't concede Jimmy was more responsible than the O line. Yet somehow in this last SB the same thing was completely acceptable because "Mahomes only had to slide a step to the side"

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.