49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That would be very simple to prove. Prove it you two.

Saying not all pressures are equal does not equate, "good pressure." LOL. No pressure is "good."

Yet in the 2021 offseason when ALL OF US were saying that exact same thing all you did was point back to pressure rate in the Rams game.

You are a glaring hypocrite on the subject. You made excuses for the Chiefs simply because of your narrative.

Do you even 4-9?

We had a classic pocket passer in the real world then and our unit PP was a weakness. WHEN they failed, it was a landslide jailbreak of a collapse. Not just 1 T swinging an arc rush that moved the T enough inside to spook the QB to move over a foot but was still comfortable with plenty of options to move elsewhere if needed.

It's still a pressure and it can still throw off the timing so, it's still a pressure.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

This brings me back to the changing of the tiers, You will always have a tier 1 for the SB winner since the tiers change. That is no indicator of who's going to win, it's just whos hot at that time

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Hell I'm sure Yac remembers doing the deep dive into exactly how long Jimmy had to throw the ball and you STILL wouldn't concede Jimmy was more responsible than the O line. Yet somehow in this last SB the same thing was completely acceptable because "Mahomes only had to slide a step to the side"

A tier 1 OL is even more needed for guys like Brees, Cousins, Jimmy, Brady, Stafford, etc. b/c of their immobility. You'll see that this weekend with Stafford. They have to help the OL in different ways (e.g. quick processing and lightning release).

No QB nor OL is solely responsible. It's how they work off each other to the height of their talent and skill set.

Jimmy was a tier 2 QB. Our OL was a tier 2 on their very best day and that's when they were fully healthy. That's why it was never going to reach the final goal.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

This brings me back to the changing of the tiers, You will always have a tier 1 for the SB winner since the tiers change. That is no indicator of who's going to win, it's just whos hot at that time

Can someone forward me the tier list so I can follow what is goin on?
who are the current tier 1s? what teams?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

This brings me back to the changing of the tiers, You will always have a tier 1 for the SB winner since the tiers change. That is no indicator of who's going to win, it's just whos hot at that time

Can someone forward me the tier list so I can follow what is goin on?
who are the current tier 1s? what teams?

you need to pay for the full list

but tier one at the start of the season is Det and Phill

Originally posted by NCommand:
A tier 1 OL is even more needed for guys like Brees, Cousins, Jimmy, Brady, Stafford, etc. b/c of their immobility. You'll see that this weekend with Stafford. They have to help the OL in different ways (e.g. quick processing and lightning release).

No QB nor OL is solely responsible. It's how they work off each other to the height of their talent and skill set.

Jimmy was a tier 2 QB. Our OL was a tier 2 on their very best day and that's when they were fully healthy. That's why it was never going to reach the final goal.

NC, all due respect, but I would suggest Brees has such pre and post snap awareness, and such accuracy and conviction in where he is going with the football, he has a quick unload time and that does help his OL, in terms of not having to maintain their blocks. You seem to indicate this. But that's not tier 1 OL, it's tier 1 QB play, imo.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you need to pay for the full list

but tier one at the start of the season is Det and Phill

that's it?
what about KC, CLE? who determines the tiers?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

This brings me back to the changing of the tiers, You will always have a tier 1 for the SB winner since the tiers change. That is no indicator of who's going to win, it's just whos hot at that time

I've yet to see a tier 1 (season opener) miss the playoffs so far. But that's possible. That could happen with the Lions. Stay tuned. It just so happens that both ended up facing each other in last year's Superbowl.

And no, it doesn't work in reverse. These are noted as tier 1 long before the playoffs and you've got 3 total points of the season to verify over time unlike an ESPN ranking that's looking at just who's hottest this week.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did he really use the term "good pressures"? 🤣

No.

That would be very simple to prove. Prove it you two.

Saying not all pressures are equal does not equate, "good pressure." LOL. No pressure is "good."

Lol prove what? You clearly said there is a difference in pressures..,some good some bad

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A tier 1 OL is even more needed for guys like Brees, Cousins, Jimmy, Brady, Stafford, etc. b/c of their immobility. You'll see that this weekend with Stafford. They have to help the OL in different ways (e.g. quick processing and lightning release).

No QB nor OL is solely responsible. It's how they work off each other to the height of their talent and skill set.

Jimmy was a tier 2 QB. Our OL was a tier 2 on their very best day and that's when they were fully healthy. That's why it was never going to reach the final goal.

NC, all due respect, but I would suggest Brees has such pre and post snap awareness, and such accuracy and conviction in where he is going with the football, he has a quick unload time and that does help his OL, in terms of not having to maintain their blocks. You seem to indicate this. But that's not tier 1 OL, it's tier 1 QB play, imo.

Isn't that what I just said?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did he really use the term "good pressures"? 🤣

No.

That would be very simple to prove. Prove it you two.

Saying not all pressures are equal does not equate, "good pressure." LOL. No pressure is "good."

Lol prove what? You clearly said there is a difference in pressures..,some good some bad

Nobody said good pressure but you and All.

And like I said, you'd only need to search back a few pages if you wanted to prove it. That's as bad a 9ers4eva saying I'd take a tier 1 OL over QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then expect them to fall out of tier 1 if they keep that up. They absolutely have tier 1 talent but aren't playing like it and that will be reflected in their retiers.

He doesnt even realize that this completely kills his entire narrative of how we need to "get like them" before the season begins.

Everyone here wants to the top OLine after the season begins.... But that has not been the mantra all off-season.

The mantra has been that some here can GM better at home than the guys that possibly have the #1 collection of talent in the NFL right now.

Not improving during the season (something we all want) has not been a complaint.

The funny thing about these terms u latch onto until they die out is all of the new branches u sneakily force to grow out as u have no choice but to pivot.

"Tier 1 trending" one week.... Now u are saying "well... at least they have Tier 1 talent" like its some consolation prize anyone here values.

The people u are disagreeing with a say they want a better team overall than tier 1 talent at the OLine position while sacrificing the overall talent of the team.

So sneaking this "well... at least" line in is yet another failure.

if Tier 1 OL can change throughout the season, then NC's philosophy he is absorbing is technically BS. It's just a power ranking

Not if those 2 teams remain in that tier all year. Injuries happen too.

right, so saying you need a #1 or a tier 1 all offseason is false. you just need to be the last two teams standing to fall into those rankings/tiers

Except in the real world, the Superbowl winners came from that tier. But to your point, yes, the tier 1's going into the playoffs are absolutely most important!

This brings me back to the changing of the tiers, You will always have a tier 1 for the SB winner since the tiers change. That is no indicator of who's going to win, it's just whos hot at that time

I've yet to see a tier 1 (season opener) miss the playoffs so far. But that's possible. That could happen with the Lions. Stay tuned. It just so happens that both ended up facing each other in last year's Superbowl.

And no, it doesn't work in reverse. These are noted as tier 1 long before the playoffs and you've got 3 total points of the season to verify over time unlike an ESPN ranking that's looking at just who's hottest this week.

I'm so confused. DET just missed the playoffs, since when have they made it? Are we saying they weren't tier 1 last season, when Jamaal Williams ran for a Barry Sanders volume of TDs?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A tier 1 OL is even more needed for guys like Brees, Cousins, Jimmy, Brady, Stafford, etc. b/c of their immobility. You'll see that this weekend with Stafford. They have to help the OL in different ways (e.g. quick processing and lightning release).

No QB nor OL is solely responsible. It's how they work off each other to the height of their talent and skill set.

Jimmy was a tier 2 QB. Our OL was a tier 2 on their very best day and that's when they were fully healthy. That's why it was never going to reach the final goal.

NC, all due respect, but I would suggest Brees has such pre and post snap awareness, and such accuracy and conviction in where he is going with the football, he has a quick unload time and that does help his OL, in terms of not having to maintain their blocks. You seem to indicate this. But that's not tier 1 OL, it's tier 1 QB play, imo.

Isn't that what I just said?

not to begin, you said a tier 1 OL is needed for Brees, I don't think that is true