49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well for now

My hope is it will evolve to a tier 1, as the season wears on. Next test is Rams, and I hope to see *some* kind of improvement. I'll take Any improvement to give me hope the OLine is going in the right direction.

The Rams Defense is not as good as the Steelers so Ya there is going to be improvement. I would be shocked if there isn't any Improvement from McKivitz. Burford may have a tuff day play against Aaron Donald ?? I don't think the line is bad or great. It should be around the same as last year. When Trent is out they will struggle, and if Mckivitz get hurt at the same time that will be bad . I think they need to start using some of there second and third round pick on Tackle, Center and CB. they need depth at those position so if CB Ward is out they have a up and coming back up to play. An example if Tashaun Gipson is hurt and out are the 49er in trouble? Maybe however I feel ok because they have 3rd pick rookie Ji'Ayir Brown backing him up.

Well, I'm looking forward to any improvements on McKivitz. They *didn't* draft an Offensive Tackle - for a reason, and that was because of McKivitz. They liked him better than the rookies they could have drafted. That is a big vote of confidence for McKivitz. He did (in my opinion) a passable job on TJ Watt, I mean the only times TJ Watt got past McKivitz was when the game was almost pretty much over. It was tough on Kittle, however, having to always have to help out McKivitz, but I think that's why the overdrafted the TE's because they knew they had to put a TE on McKivitz side - in the beginning - to shore up that right side. Hopefully, at some point, they take the training wheels off McKivitz and let him be on an Island pretty much all the time. We shall see, it starts now with the Rams game.

LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Can you breakdown why they are no longer tier 1 and so bad now?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Can you breakdown why they are no longer tier 1 and so bad now?

Sure. They no longer have the same caliber of starters as last year. Unless you think every OL is the same YOY.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Can you breakdown why they are no longer tier 1 and so bad now?

Sure. They no longer have the same caliber of starters as last year. Unless you think every OL is the same YOY.

Oh yeah? How so? Let's see, still have their pro bowl LG, pro bowl C, excellent RG, they brought in the LT from that tier 1 elite TB OL. By most experts accounts it was a pretty even swap of Brown and Taylor with the potential to be an upgrade because Taylor is a superior at PP, which as we know is what truly defines a tier 1 OL per your standards. Also would blow your theory of why PM is under duress …sooo this doesn't really make sense. Here's a bit of fun trivia. See if you can guess who's who below between Brown and Taylor

Pressures: 58 - 21 QB Hits: 10 - 1 Hurries: 44 - 15

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Oh yeah? How so? Let's see, still have their pro bowl LG, pro bowl C, excellent RG, they brought in the LT from that tier 1 elite TB OL. By most experts accounts it was a pretty even swap of Brown and Taylor with the potential to be an upgrade because Taylor is a superior at PP, which as we know is what truly defines a tier 1 OL per your standards. Also would blow your theory of why PM is under duress …sooo this doesn't really make sense. Here's a bit of fun trivia. See if you can guess who's who below between Brown and Taylor

Pressures: 58 - 21 QB Hits: 10 - 1 Hurries: 44 - 15

Yah someone might want to investigate the Joe Burrow struggles.

Brown would make a bigger difference than Hargrave though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Oh yeah? How so? Let's see, still have their pro bowl LG, pro bowl C, excellent RG, they brought in the LT from that tier 1 elite TB OL. By most experts accounts it was a pretty even swap of Brown and Taylor with the potential to be an upgrade because Taylor is a superior at PP, which as we know is what truly defines a tier 1 OL per your standards. Also would blow your theory of why PM is under duress …sooo this doesn't really make sense. Here's a bit of fun trivia. See if you can guess who's who below between Brown and Taylor

Pressures: 58 - 21 QB Hits: 10 - 1 Hurries: 44 - 15

Yah someone might want to investigate the Joe Burrow struggles.

Brown would make a bigger difference than Hargrave though.

Working out pretty well it seems. 2 sacks, 10 QB hits, countless pressures a robust 3.8 YPC and the massive L to top it off for week 1

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Can you breakdown why they are no longer tier 1 and so bad now?

Sure. They no longer have the same caliber of starters as last year. Unless you think every OL is the same YOY.

Oh yeah? How so? Let's see, still have their pro bowl LG, pro bowl C, excellent RG, they brought in the LT from that tier 1 elite TB OL. By most experts accounts it was a pretty even swap of Brown and Taylor with the potential to be an upgrade because Taylor is a superior at PP, which as we know is what truly defines a tier 1 OL per your standards. Also would blow your theory of why PM is under duress …sooo this doesn't really make sense. Here's a bit of fun trivia. See if you can guess who's who below between Brown and Taylor

Pressures: 58 - 21 QB Hits: 10 - 1 Hurries: 44 - 15

Oh boy. The Patrick Mahomes fan club is starting its early spin. Here was why they were in Tier 1 last year. Would you say that still applies to this year? Of course not. Hence why they are no longer in tier 1 for 2023.

And boy does it show. PM is still a stud. But he won't transcend that OL into a Superbowl win. Again.

2. Chiefs (Andy Heck)

LT Orlando Brown Jr.
LG Joe Thuney
C Creed Humphrey
RG Trey Smith
RT Andrew Wylie

Notes: Kansas City enters the 2022 season a year after replacing all five starters with all five starters returning, giving them some continuity to build off of a very good first season together. This is an extremely well-coached unit under Andy Heck in a very OL-friendly scheme under Andy Reid that was built with a good mix of veterans (Orlando Brown Jr., Joe Thuney) and high-end younger talent (Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith).

Humphrey outplayed his second-round draft slot as a rookie, firmly establishing himself as one of a half dozen or so top-tier centers while Smith dramatically outperformed his sixth-round draft slot with flashes of becoming an elite player sooner rather than later. Brown gradually improved as the season progressed after switching from Baltimore's run-heavy system to the Chiefs' more pass-oriented style, pointing towards more consistency this season. Thuney was his usual excellent self as well.

The only real question is at right tackle with Andrew Wylie, who is an adequate starter coming off seven regular-season starts last year, plus all three playoff games. While defenses will aim to isolate and magnify Wylie's deficiencies in pass protection, he can be functional surrounded by this much talent in a system that can provide a variety of creative ways to help their line.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Poor Mahomes. The dudes OL is so non-tier 1, he's throwing passes under duress to his offensive lineman. For completions!

Can you breakdown why they are no longer tier 1 and so bad now?

Sure. They no longer have the same caliber of starters as last year. Unless you think every OL is the same YOY.

Oh yeah? How so? Let's see, still have their pro bowl LG, pro bowl C, excellent RG, they brought in the LT from that tier 1 elite TB OL. By most experts accounts it was a pretty even swap of Brown and Taylor with the potential to be an upgrade because Taylor is a superior at PP, which as we know is what truly defines a tier 1 OL per your standards. Also would blow your theory of why PM is under duress …sooo this doesn't really make sense. Here's a bit of fun trivia. See if you can guess who's who below between Brown and Taylor

Pressures: 58 - 21 QB Hits: 10 - 1 Hurries: 44 - 15

Oh boy. The Patrick Mahomes fan club is starting its early spin. Here was why they were in Tier 1 last year. Would you say that still applies to this year? Of course not. Hence why they are no longer in tier 1 for 2023.

And boy does it show. PM is still a stud. But he won't transcend that OL into a Superbowl win. Again.

2. Chiefs (Andy Heck)

LT Orlando Brown Jr.
LG Joe Thuney
C Creed Humphrey
RG Trey Smith
RT Andrew Wylie

Notes: Kansas City enters the 2022 season a year after replacing all five starters with all five starters returning, giving them some continuity to build off of a very good first season together. This is an extremely well-coached unit under Andy Heck in a very OL-friendly scheme under Andy Reid that was built with a good mix of veterans (Orlando Brown Jr., Joe Thuney) and high-end younger talent (Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith).

Humphrey outplayed his second-round draft slot as a rookie, firmly establishing himself as one of a half dozen or so top-tier centers while Smith dramatically outperformed his sixth-round draft slot with flashes of becoming an elite player sooner rather than later. Brown gradually improved as the season progressed after switching from Baltimore's run-heavy system to the Chiefs' more pass-oriented style, pointing towards more consistency this season. Thuney was his usual excellent self as well.

The only real question is at right tackle with Andrew Wylie, who is an adequate starter coming off seven regular-season starts last year, plus all three playoff games. While defenses will aim to isolate and magnify Wylie's deficiencies in pass protection, he can be functional surrounded by this much talent in a system that can provide a variety of creative ways to help their line.

🤣🤣 thanks for proving my point bud. Man your debate skills are on point!

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
🤣🤣 thanks for proving my point bud. Man your debate skills are on point!

NOT tier 1 in 2023. Here are the two tier 1's.

Eagles and Lions.

great to know that upgrading at 1 OT position by bringing in the starting LT from a tier 1, championship OL and upgrading at PP at the other OT position knocks you completely out of tier 1 and into absolute s**tsville 🤣

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
great to know that upgrading at 1 OT position by bringing in the starting LT from a tier 1, championship OL and upgrading at PP at the other OT position knocks you completely out of tier 1 and into absolute s**tsville 🤣

Dafuq? You're trying to use Taylor's play from 10 years ago to paint your picture now? LMAO. Bucs were a tier 1 back then but haven't been since.

Also, have you seen the Chiefs this year? PM has been running for his life from the first snap.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
great to know that upgrading at 1 OT position by bringing in the starting LT from a tier 1, championship OL and upgrading at PP at the other OT position knocks you completely out of tier 1 and into absolute s**tsville 🤣

Dafuq? You're trying to use Taylor's play from 10 years ago to paint your picture now? LMAO. Bucs were a tier 1 back then but haven't been since.

Also, have you seen the Chiefs this year? PM has been running for his life from the first snap.

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Wow, I might take a gander on the Chief's highlights later on after the game, but yikes! That's not good!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
great to know that upgrading at 1 OT position by bringing in the starting LT from a tier 1, championship OL and upgrading at PP at the other OT position knocks you completely out of tier 1 and into absolute s**tsville 🤣

Dafuq? You're trying to use Taylor's play from 10 years ago to paint your picture now? LMAO. Bucs were a tier 1 back then but haven't been since.

Also, have you seen the Chiefs this year? PM has been running for his life from the first snap.

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This is Taylor's 5th year boss and TB won it all 3 years ago, Keep digging 🤣