49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

Burford's run blocking need to improve. Pass pro was better on the right side but the run game is struggling on that side. Banks has stepped his game up

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

lol how did Burford get a 0? I've never seen that before, a PFF score of 0.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

lol how did Burford get a 0? I've never seen that before, a PFF score of 0.

I have no idea. I don't pay all that much attention to their grading. I was really just posting it to show pressures, hurries, hits and sacks for the game yesterday.

is it time to update the tier list?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
is it time to update the tier list?

It will be updated in 6 more weeks.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
is it time to update the tier list?

It will be updated in 6 more weeks.

Det / Phil would be going down

so no more tiers ones

Originally posted by NCommand:
The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Thats how the NFL has designed the game. Passing results in a lot of money for the owners.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
is it time to update the tier list?

It will be updated in 6 more weeks.

Det / Phil would be going down

so no more tiers ones

Philly ran all over Minny. DET suffered an injury to their guard, I wonder if he's ok? For us, play the kids, they get more time together, grow as a unit.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Burford's run blocking need to improve. Pass pro was better on the right side but the run game is struggling on that side. Banks has stepped his game up

Both Burford and Banks have to improve on the run blocking, although I am really happy McKivitz did well against Aaron and company. Pass protection is getting stronger. I'd still want an elite OT in the draft next year. If we can get a guy that can run block like McGlinchey and pass block like McKivitz - I'll be really happy.

P.s. McKivits in a two point stance - I think it hurts his run blocking, but I think it helps his pass blocking.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Just because a team won the SB doesn't mean that their O line was tier one. That is the narrative that you keep trying to drive. It took you like 2+ years to find a source that backed up your narrative. Now you are holding onto it for dear life.

See, I have no narrative. I can recognize that our O line, especially the right side is a weak link. I have no problem saying that. The stats as well as the eye test have shown that. I watched those KC playoff games and looked up KC's pass pro stats. They were nowhere near at the level the eagles O line was last season or in the playoffs. And anyone who says otherwise is just not credible imo.