49ers Offensive Line

How much if at all does Banks benefit from having TW next to him?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
How much if at all does Banks benefit from having TW next to him?

I would say it benefits him alot.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
How much if at all does Banks benefit from having TW next to him?

I would say it benefits him alot.

That's what I was suspecting. Same for Laken etc. I am not knocking him since he has been a pleasant surprise regardless, just a thought.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
How much if at all does Banks benefit from having TW next to him?

I would say it benefits him alot.

That's what I was suspecting. Same for Laken etc. I am not knocking him since he has been a pleasant surprise regardless, just a thought.

Laken has fallen off big time since leaving here.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
is it time to update the tier list?

It will be updated in 6 more weeks.

Det / Phil would be going down

so no more tiers ones

That's very possible given they aren't playing up to that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Just because a team won the SB doesn't mean that their O line was tier one. That is the narrative that you keep trying to drive. It took you like 2+ years to find a source that backed up your narrative. Now you are holding onto it for dear life.

See, I have no narrative. I can recognize that our O line, especially the right side is a weak link. I have no problem saying that. The stats as well as the eye test have shown that. I watched those KC playoff games and looked up KC's pass pro stats. They were nowhere near at the level the eagles O line was last season or in the playoffs. And anyone who says otherwise is just not credible imo.

Haha, you mean 2 days. I had to sift through the world of X to find it for you too.

Your narrative is clear: QB can transcend a tier 2+ OL and win a Superbowl.

That's why you've worked so hard to dismiss KC's tier 1 OL.

I'd much rather let the SME's do their job and focus on us getting a tier 1 OL for the first time in a dynasty so that we can see even more how special Brock and Kyle can be together with a wide open offense and not how to work around not having one.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

Hard to say because of their game plan but they certainly seem much better than last year. If Noteboom is OK (left the game with an injury), they could move up the ranks.

They are much better than last season.

They took care of the Seahawks last week and gave us a run for our money.

Our OLine was much improved - Donald was a non-factor.

Hope we can find a quality DB in a trade,

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

Hard to say because of their game plan but they certainly seem much better than last year. If Noteboom is OK (left the game with an injury), they could move up the ranks.

They are much better than last season.

They took care of the Seahawks last week and gave us a run for our money.

Our OLine was much improved - Donald was a non-factor.

Hope we can find a quality DB in a trade,

Agreed. Both OL's played very well, no doubt. Brock and Stafford were very conformable and could stay on task/timing.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Just because a team won the SB doesn't mean that their O line was tier one. That is the narrative that you keep trying to drive. It took you like 2+ years to find a source that backed up your narrative. Now you are holding onto it for dear life.

See, I have no narrative. I can recognize that our O line, especially the right side is a weak link. I have no problem saying that. The stats as well as the eye test have shown that. I watched those KC playoff games and looked up KC's pass pro stats. They were nowhere near at the level the eagles O line was last season or in the playoffs. And anyone who says otherwise is just not credible imo.

Haha, you mean 2 days. I had to sift through the world of X to find it for you too.

Your narrative is clear: QB can transcend a tier 2+ OL and win a Superbowl.

That's why you've worked so hard to dismiss KC's tier 1 OL.

I'd much rather let the SME's do their job and focus on us getting a tier 1 OL for the first time in a dynasty so that we can see even more how special Brock and Kyle can be together with a wide open offense and not how to work around not having one.

Funny because you are the only poster in here who believes that KC's O line was great last season. KC's O line gave up a higher pressure rate in the 2022 playoffs than the 49ers O line did in the 2021 playoffs. So is it the QB or is it the O line? No other QB had close to the amount of scrambles that Mahomes had in the playoffs last year. That should tell you something. So yes, Mahomes is able to transcend a tier 2-3 O line and Jimmy isn't and that was the ultimate difference between winning a SB and not winning a SB. Just like Philly has a tier 2-3 QB and a Tier 1 O line but lost the SB to a tier 1 QB with a tier 2-3 O line.

When Mahomes lost the SB, he was running for his life behind a tier 6 O line and no QB can transcend that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Just because a team won the SB doesn't mean that their O line was tier one. That is the narrative that you keep trying to drive. It took you like 2+ years to find a source that backed up your narrative. Now you are holding onto it for dear life.

See, I have no narrative. I can recognize that our O line, especially the right side is a weak link. I have no problem saying that. The stats as well as the eye test have shown that. I watched those KC playoff games and looked up KC's pass pro stats. They were nowhere near at the level the eagles O line was last season or in the playoffs. And anyone who says otherwise is just not credible imo.

Haha, you mean 2 days. I had to sift through the world of X to find it for you too.

Your narrative is clear: QB can transcend a tier 2+ OL and win a Superbowl.

That's why you've worked so hard to dismiss KC's tier 1 OL.

I'd much rather let the SME's do their job and focus on us getting a tier 1 OL for the first time in a dynasty so that we can see even more how special Brock and Kyle can be together with a wide open offense and not how to work around not having one.

Funny because you are the only poster in here who believes that KC's O line was great last season. KC's O line gave up a higher pressure rate in the 2022 playoffs than the 49ers O line did in the 2021 playoffs. So is it the QB or is it the O line? No other QB had close to the amount of scrambles that Mahomes had in the playoffs last year. That should tell you something. So yes, Mahomes is able to transcend a tier 2-3 O line and Jimmy isn't and that was the ultimate difference between winning a SB and not winning a SB. Just like Philly has a tier 2-3 QB and a Tier 1 O line but lost the SB to a tier 1 QB with a tier 2-3 O line.

When Mahomes lost the SB, he was running for his life behind a tier 6 O line and no QB can transcend that.

PM had 3 dropped TDs passes in that SB, if they would have won.. NC would be praising their OL

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
how good is the Rams Oline?

It depends on how they play that week. Tiers change every week, B

Yup. Changes every week depending solely on feels.

Only PFF changes grades d/t public pressure.

I don't give a s**t about ppf grades. Now if you have another site that provides pressure rates, pressure passing splits, TTT under pressure, etc. I'm all ears. Because those stats mean more to me than anything you have ever provided on this forum.

I've provided real SME's. If you don't collectively believe their film work, study and tier system and proven outcomes and reputation, that's up to you. For a man that bets on the trenches, I'd figure you'd be all over their work and OL vs. DL weekly matchups.

If you're into mico stats for the OL, that's fine. Post away.

I don't really care about rankings. I have said this several times. Do I post rankings? Sure. But you use that against me as if you provide anything other than rankings. Which you haven't. I actually provide a whole lot of other things besides rankings. I also source my stuff from many different sites. Which I have listed many times on here. Its not my fault that pff has the best in depth stats when it comes to QB and O line efficiency. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative that you strive so hard to hold onto.

I am actually very flexible in my opinion so long as there is actual evidence to back it up. Why would I use your source when your source claimed KC's O line was tier 1 last year when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

The evidence is their tiers have all ended in those very teams being in and winning Superbowls. That combination of tier 1 OL + tier 1 QB is deadly. This shouldn't be shocking news to anybody.

It's easy to get lost in mirco data and miss the bigger picture. It's still football.

Protect the QB. Disrupt the QB. Pass the ball. Defend the ball.

Just because a team won the SB doesn't mean that their O line was tier one. That is the narrative that you keep trying to drive. It took you like 2+ years to find a source that backed up your narrative. Now you are holding onto it for dear life.

See, I have no narrative. I can recognize that our O line, especially the right side is a weak link. I have no problem saying that. The stats as well as the eye test have shown that. I watched those KC playoff games and looked up KC's pass pro stats. They were nowhere near at the level the eagles O line was last season or in the playoffs. And anyone who says otherwise is just not credible imo.

Haha, you mean 2 days. I had to sift through the world of X to find it for you too.

Your narrative is clear: QB can transcend a tier 2+ OL and win a Superbowl.

That's why you've worked so hard to dismiss KC's tier 1 OL.

I'd much rather let the SME's do their job and focus on us getting a tier 1 OL for the first time in a dynasty so that we can see even more how special Brock and Kyle can be together with a wide open offense and not how to work around not having one.

Funny because you are the only poster in here who believes that KC's O line was great last season. KC's O line gave up a higher pressure rate in the 2022 playoffs than the 49ers O line did in the 2021 playoffs. So is it the QB or is it the O line? No other QB had close to the amount of scrambles that Mahomes had in the playoffs last year. That should tell you something. So yes, Mahomes is able to transcend a tier 2-3 O line and Jimmy isn't and that was the ultimate difference between winning a SB and not winning a SB. Just like Philly has a tier 2-3 QB and a Tier 1 O line but lost the SB to a tier 1 QB with a tier 2-3 O line.

When Mahomes lost the SB, he was running for his life behind a tier 6 O line and no QB can transcend that.

PM had 3 dropped TDs passes in that SB, if they would have won.. NC would be praising their OL

🤣 No doubt in my mind.

Dawand Jones on the Browns is 6'8" and was a two sport athlete in college, fast for a man that large. He was taken in the 4th round by Cleveland why did we not look at him. He just dominated Watt on a pass play during the MNF game. We could have had him.

The line did play better but there were some decent o line prospects out there.

The FO probably thought he was too large but if they paid attention he played on his college basketball team so was a all around good athlete.

Obviously did not look at the o line at all in this years draft.

Left side was fantastic last game both in pass and run
Right side was average at pass and pathetic at run. I don't remember a single run to the right that went more than 2 yards.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Left side was fantastic last game both in pass and run
Right side was average at pass and pathetic at run. I don't remember a single run to the right that went more than 2 yards.

The left side is very good I'd say close to elite. Trent is the best LT out there. However the right side may cost us number 6.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Dawand Jones on the Browns is 6'8" and was a two sport athlete in college, fast for a man that large. He was taken in the 4th round by Cleveland why did we not look at him. He just dominated Watt on a pass play during the MNF game. We could have had him.

The line did play better but there were some decent o line prospects out there.

The FO probably thought he was too large but if they paid attention he played on his college basketball team so was a all around good athlete.

Obviously did not look at the o line at all in this years draft.

I see a slow plodding lineman that Watt torched for a sack. We had that guy in Trenton Brown.

Steelers are absolutely torching the Browns O line. If not for the Browns RB making a hell of a play the Browns would have very little to show on offense.