49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Tier 1's are available for all for free including the rationale.

What's his take on having 3.4 seconds to throw?

The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Exactly

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Wow those are crazy odds what if Hurts gets injured he still picks the Eagles?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Tier 1's are available for all for free including the rationale.

What's his take on having 3.4 seconds to throw?

He said those are silly b/c it is an averaged stat so if you have a low volume of attempts, this number is easily skewed by 1 scramble hence why the mobile QB's always have the highest TTT and the old classic pocket passers have the lowest. It's deceptive.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Tier 1's are available for all for free including the rationale.

What's his take on having 3.4 seconds to throw?

He said those are silly b/c it is an averaged stat so if you have a low volume of attempts, this number is easily skewed by 1 scramble hence why the mobile QB's always have the highest TTT and the old classic pocket passers have the lowest. It's deceptive.

Its only deceptive if you ignore everything else and try to use it as an end all be all stat. But if a QB is buying himself 4 seconds, they should be able to make a play. Also, the TTT under pressure is not the same as the TTT with a clean pocket. Clean pocket TTT is just giving you an idea of how fast the QB is getting rid of the ball. Under pressure TTT is the time the QB has before he is sacked or has to make a throw.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Wow those are crazy odds what if Hurts gets injured he still picks the Eagles?

I gave 3.1 odds for PHI, but I'd even throw in a caveat for QB injury. Moot point though

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Wow those are crazy odds what if Hurts gets injured he still picks the Eagles?

I gave 3.1 odds for PHI, but I'd even throw in a caveat for QB injury. Moot point though

In the history of the Super Bowl era a Super Bowl losing team has won the Super Bowl the following year 3 times in 56 years. Only 1 in the recent 20 years was done by Tom Brady the goat.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Tier 1's are available for all for free including the rationale.

What's his take on having 3.4 seconds to throw?

He said those are silly b/c it is an averaged stat so if you have a low volume of attempts, this number is easily skewed by 1 scramble hence why the mobile QB's always have the highest TTT and the old classic pocket passers have the lowest. It's deceptive.

Its only deceptive if you ignore everything else and try to use it as an end all be all stat. But if a QB is buying himself 4 seconds, they should be able to make a play. Also, the TTT under pressure is not the same as the TTT with a clean pocket. Clean pocket TTT is just giving you an idea of how fast the QB is getting rid of the ball. Under pressure TTT is the time the QB has before he is sacked or has to make a throw.

We could do this all day though. Then you need to factor in the time it's taking the receivers to get open, the distance and time it takes the primary to reach his spot, play action takes 2.5s to execute before throwing, the defensive alignment against that play call, QB decision making, how 3.4s stacks up with the rest of the playoff teams, etc. On the flip side, just b/c Wilson and Mahomes scramble around for an extra 5s doesn't mean much either. In fact, it can make it harder on the OL and timing is thrown off for the receivers. The Superbowl proved that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Tier 1's are available for all for free including the rationale.

What's his take on having 3.4 seconds to throw?

He said those are silly b/c it is an averaged stat so if you have a low volume of attempts, this number is easily skewed by 1 scramble hence why the mobile QB's always have the highest TTT and the old classic pocket passers have the lowest. It's deceptive.

Its only deceptive if you ignore everything else and try to use it as an end all be all stat. But if a QB is buying himself 4 seconds, they should be able to make a play. Also, the TTT under pressure is not the same as the TTT with a clean pocket. Clean pocket TTT is just giving you an idea of how fast the QB is getting rid of the ball. Under pressure TTT is the time the QB has before he is sacked or has to make a throw.

We could do this all day though. Then you need to factor in the time it's taking the receivers to get open, the distance and time it takes the primary to reach his spot, play action takes 2.5s to execute before throwing, the defensive alignment against that play call, QB decision making, how 3.4s stacks up with the rest of the playoff teams, etc. On the flip side, just b/c Wilson and Mahomes scramble around for an extra 5s doesn't mean much either. In fact, it can make it harder on the OL and timing is thrown off for the receivers. The Superbowl proved that.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Like I said, it is not an end all be all stat. But when you couple that stat with pressure rate and sack%, you can get a pretty damn good idea of how the o line performed. Which is a hell of a lot better way to judge pass pro performance than looking at rankings only.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room