49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The bet should be NC has Philly and Detroit vs the field for SB winner

I'll take the field

Wow those are crazy odds what if Hurts gets injured he still picks the Eagles?

I gave 3.1 odds for PHI, but I'd even throw in a caveat for QB injury. Moot point though

In the history of the Super Bowl era a Super Bowl losing team has won the Super Bowl the following year 3 times in 56 years. Only 1 in the recent 20 years was done by Tom Brady the goat.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Originally posted by NCommand:
He said those are silly b/c it is an averaged stat so if you have a low volume of attempts, this number is easily skewed by 1 scramble hence why the mobile QB's always have the highest TTT and the old classic pocket passers have the lowest. It's deceptive.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Haha.

WZ: Eye Ball >>>>>> Film Study & PFF >>>>>> SME's

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Haha.

WZ: Eye Ball >>>>>> Film Study & PFF >>>>>> SME's

Eye ball and film is the same thing. PFF doesn't know the rules cooked into the defenses and offenses so their grading is always incredibly subjective. Which was proven by the high grades McGlinchey would always receive but eye ball test he failed.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Haha.

WZ: Eye Ball >>>>>> Film Study & PFF >>>>>> SME's

Eye ball and film is the same thing. PFF doesn't know the rules cooked into the defenses and offenses so their grading is always incredibly subjective. Which was proven by the high grades McGlinchey would always receive but eye ball test he failed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Haha.

WZ: Eye Ball >>>>>> Film Study & PFF >>>>>> SME's

Eye ball and film is the same thing. PFF doesn't know the rules cooked into the defenses and offenses so their grading is always incredibly subjective. Which was proven by the high grades McGlinchey would always receive but eye ball test he failed.

People are way too hung up on pff's rankings and grades. They are sometimes pretty to look at but they don't mean much. If anyone can find another site that goes as in depth as pff when it comes to pressure stats, please let me know.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Hey Hoov can we got odds on if the 9ers win the SB which is more likely

A. NC calls the 9ers a tier one OL

Or

B. NC admits you don't need a tier one OL to win

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
In the history of the Super Bowl era a Super Bowl losing team has won the Super Bowl the following year 3 times in 56 years. Only 1 in the recent 20 years was done by Tom Brady the goat.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
In the history of the Super Bowl era a Super Bowl losing team has won the Super Bowl the following year 3 times in 56 years. Only 1 in the recent 20 years was done by Tom Brady the goat.

Didn't the Chiefs just do it?