49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
A. Hey, don't rule that out. It's still possible (like how our DL now is ranked even though they haven't exactly played like it so far)

B. Let the evidence guide you. When it happens, I'll start living in your Madden world too.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
In the history of the Super Bowl era a Super Bowl losing team has won the Super Bowl the following year 3 times in 56 years. Only 1 in the recent 20 years was done by Tom Brady the goat.

Didn't the Chiefs just do it?

No they lost to the Bengals after they lost

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Eye ball formula. Film room

Haha.

WZ: Eye Ball >>>>>> Film Study & PFF >>>>>> SME's

Eye ball and film is the same thing. PFF doesn't know the rules cooked into the defenses and offenses so their grading is always incredibly subjective. Which was proven by the high grades McGlinchey would always receive but eye ball test he failed.

People are way too hung up on pff's rankings and grades. They are sometimes pretty to look at but they don't mean much. If anyone can find another site that goes as in depth as pff when it comes to pressure stats, please let me know.

I think PFF is helpful when the grades match what the eyes are seeing. But in instances with Fred Warner who dominated the Steelers he had one of the lowest grades. My eyes ain't buying that s**t. I think it's helpful to illustrate how a player is doing with a simple grading number that anyone can understand but it should have a huge disclaimer attached to it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

Try the Brandon Thorn OL ratings Lions/Eagles vs field this time around.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

Or Brock avoid playing JV level.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

I never stated that I believe the 49ers have the #1 o line. But if you want my rankings based on the stats I use I might have some time tonight to put in the work.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

I never stated that I believe the 49ers have the #1 o line. But if you want my rankings based on the stats I use I might have some time tonight to put in the work.

That would be awesome if you have the time. You're welcome to PM me if you don't want to share publicly. I don't want anyone stealing your work and making money off your formula. LOL

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Left side of the line:

We have Silverback at LT. I don't need to elaborate on that.

LG

Aaron Banks has played 125 snaps at left guard.

0 penalties
0 QB hits
0 pressures
0 sacks allowed#49ers #FTTB pic.twitter.com/m7qWWKLLxE

— Chase Senior (@Chase_Senior) September 20, 2023

C

49ers C Jake Brendel could be a starting Pro Bowl center this year if he keeps playing at this rate

He's only logged 1 QB hit and has a pass-blocking efficiency rate of 96.8/100, per PFF pic.twitter.com/MGTXlYK7Vs

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) September 20, 2023

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's right...I keep forgetting how great Mike Person, Tom Compton, Laken Tomlinson and Ben Garland were esp. as pass protectors. My bad.

Narratives have that effect.

You're right. Brandon Thorn confirmed those were tier 1 playoff OL's right there. Can you confirm with PFF through YAC, please? Thanks.

So the only thing that matters is 1 twitter account's rankings and we should just dismiss things like pressure rate, sack %, etc.?

If the mirco stats like pressures, sack %, hits, etc. correlated directly to winning a Superbowl...to the point where a site would be able to tier those units to START a year and are reevaluated at the mid point and for the playoffs and then they ended up proving to be a solid indicator, sure. Until then, I'll go with the collective team that's already shown that. Like the correlation to injuries and TO's, it (Tier 1 QB + OL) is about as good as you'll get in the real world. Trenches still matter.

Ignore the results and blindly follow one guy on twitter's rankings because it fits NC's narrative. Got it.

Show me a better formula then. I'm sure PFF has that golden stat somewhere in the basement.

Its not just one stat. There are a handful of stats that you just conveniently ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative. What is with you and your constant hyperbole?

So you've got nothing then. If your micro stats meant anything, you'd be able to use them to predict stronger correlations. Like I said, when you find something, bring it here and let's discuss. Until then, I'll stick with the SME's experts over the weird ass tiers PFF come up with that never amount to anything in the end.

Those stats gave me an 83% win rate in the playoffs against the spread last year.

That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

I never stated that I believe the 49ers have the #1 o line. But if you want my rankings based on the stats I use I might have some time tonight to put in the work.

That would be awesome if you have the time. You're welcome to PM me if you don't want to share publicly. I don't want anyone stealing your work and making money off your formula. LOL

I'm not going to post my work. Just the results. Isn't that what everyone else does anyway?

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's great!

Then you should be able to start tiering yourself in here as a SME.

What tier is our OL and DL right now?

You've got the 9ers OL in Tier 1? If so, great! Now we just need Brock to hit that tier 1 as well and we'll be right on formula for #6.

Originally posted by NCommand:

We're almost tier 1 LT - C.