49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I made 2 lists. One was based on pass protection. The other based on run blocking. I took the ranking of each category and added them up then divided by two. For those O line's that had the same average ranking, I positioned them according to who has the better pass pro.

How did you determine the pass blocking and run blocking lists?

Based on production.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

Sure. But you can say that about all aspects of the team. Like when your QB is able to save your offensive line's ass over and over again but because there weren't many sacks given up it must have been because the O line was so great. Like I stated earlier today and on the original post that was quoted above. Take all rankings with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wow, O line rankings are all over the place, but most consider Dallas, Detroit, Philly among the best, while San Francisco is near the bottom in almost all.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-best-fantasy-sleepers-busts/c7utc4lstwkkzegv8pee6uxq

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

Philly is ranked 24th in pressure rate and has given up 7 sacks in 2 games. I don't think any of those rankings are based on actual results.

Yeah, most were compiled before the season, but the pro football network list is based off the 1st 2 weeks.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wow, O line rankings are all over the place, but most consider Dallas, Detroit, Philly among the best, while San Francisco is near the bottom in almost all.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-best-fantasy-sleepers-busts/c7utc4lstwkkzegv8pee6uxq

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

Philly is ranked 24th in pressure rate and has given up 7 sacks in 2 games. I don't think any of those rankings are based on actual results.

Yeah, most were compiled before the season, but the pro football network list is based off the 1st 2 weeks.

Anyone who has PHI O line number 1 is ignoring the results so far when it comes to pass pro for reason's I stated above. Seems like more of a popularity contest.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

I feel no disrespect. Rankings are pointless. Especially this early in the season.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wow, O line rankings are all over the place, but most consider Dallas, Detroit, Philly among the best, while San Francisco is near the bottom in almost all.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-best-fantasy-sleepers-busts/c7utc4lstwkkzegv8pee6uxq

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

Philly is ranked 24th in pressure rate and has given up 7 sacks in 2 games. I don't think any of those rankings are based on actual results.

Yeah, most were compiled before the season, but the pro football network list is based off the 1st 2 weeks.

Anyone who has PHI O line number 1 is ignoring the results so far when it comes to pass pro for reason's I stated above. Seems like more of a popularity contest.

I mean, they have the top rushing offense so far. Doesn't that factor in?

edit: I guess not much since the Niners have the 2nd best rush offense and are ranked near the bottom.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wow, O line rankings are all over the place, but most consider Dallas, Detroit, Philly among the best, while San Francisco is near the bottom in almost all.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/fantasy/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-best-fantasy-sleepers-busts/c7utc4lstwkkzegv8pee6uxq

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

Philly is ranked 24th in pressure rate and has given up 7 sacks in 2 games. I don't think any of those rankings are based on actual results.

Yeah, most were compiled before the season, but the pro football network list is based off the 1st 2 weeks.

Anyone who has PHI O line number 1 is ignoring the results so far when it comes to pass pro for reason's I stated above. Seems like more of a popularity contest.

I mean, they have the top rushing offense so far. Doesn't that factor in?

edit: I guess not much since the Niners have the 2nd best rush offense and are ranked near the bottom.

The 49ers actually have the #1 rushing offense when considering efficiency above total yards. 49ers are averaging more YPA than any other team.

The eagles had to lean heavily on their run game against the Vikings because their o line couldn't protect Hurts in the first half.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yeah, most were compiled before the season, but the pro football network list is based off the 1st 2 weeks.

Which is how it should be.

There can be a huge gap in-between who you'd rather have and who's performed better after 2 games. Hope we can all generally agree on that much.

The running game production speaks for itself and is easy to compile a decent rank. Passing is harder because if you throw quick passes and have a QB who can buy time it helps as people said make the OL look good. I think the other way you have to judge is the average time a QB has in the pocket-ignoring the fact that the QB might suck at getting out of his hands.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

Indeed there is. But when the 9ers lose again we will all once again be proven wrong.

That 70-67 loss in SB will come down to a missed guard block and will be concrete proof we didn't have a tier 1 OL.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How fun! I appreciate constructive work, effort and content.

It'll be fun to match up with the SME rankings and see how these rolling ranks work themselves out esp. as we move into the playoffs where it really matters.

Like All said, now you've got your tiers. Looks like we're safe in a tier 2 for now and climbing.