49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

That is only a fraction of the stats I use. Another fraction of it is how the QB performs when facing pressure.

Originally posted by WildBill:
The running game production speaks for itself and is easy to compile a decent rank. Passing is harder because if you throw quick passes and have a QB who can buy time it helps as people said make the OL look good. I think the other way you have to judge is the average time a QB has in the pocket-ignoring the fact that the QB might suck at getting out of his hands.

Those are good points. I don't think there's any stat (maybe a pressure stat) with regards to a clean pocket. Brock overthrew those passes out of a dirty pocket (for lack of a better term). The passing game, as NC said, is a symphony. Every part of the game must work to make a successful pass. The Line has to hold. The QB has to throw. The receiver has to catch. Any *one* of these break down, the pass won't work. I think you have to watch the film to really look at how each part is doing. On top of that, also keep in mind that Statistics only show what *happened* - not what is *going to happen.* Again, don't get me wrong, statistics are important. They just aren't *more* important than watching them actually play.

Who has the OL player grades from PFF?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
PB is a big strength of Brendel too. He worked exceptionally hard on gaining strength this off season too so let's keep an eye on his run blocking, short yardage, etc.

We're almost tier 1 LT - C.

this is what I am thinkin NC
and consider where Brendel and Banks were
but coach Shanny believed in those guys, and let them work thru it, like with Burford and McK they are up next, to grow and improve as we go forward here
lot of it is 5 guys, playing as one, takes time

Definitely. No true judgement here until week 8.

Just on Burford and McKivitz, they did a passable job in the Steelers game (we won convincingly) but still gave up a lot of pressure on the right side in pass protections. In the Rams game, I think they did way better in the pass protections, but the run blocking was suspect. I didn't see either of them move the Ram's right side DLine at all at the run games. But that can be explained by Aaron Donald, and their talented rookie DT. Both are still definitely a work in progress, but they aren't as bad as what I saw in the highlights with the NY Giants/Cardinals game. Compare them to Trent, Banks, and Brendel -- that side of the line is like a wall in pass protection, and a bulldozer in the run game.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

That is only a fraction of the stats I use. Another fraction of it is how the QB performs when facing pressure.

For sure. No issues trying to tease out the OL portion from the QB portion. That's not the easiest thing to do but I appreciate the effort to do that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

That is only a fraction of the stats I use. Another fraction of it is how the QB performs when facing pressure.

For sure. No issues trying to tease out the OL portion from the QB portion. That's not the easiest thing to do but I appreciate the effort to do that.

Haha and he is super-thrilled to have your blessing.

Cant wait to see how these guys do on a short week.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Just going over some possible future 49er OT's.

Graham Barton, OT, DukeBarton has received some first-round media hype, and some NFL team sources who spoke with WalterFootball.com said they feel Barton is a legit early-round talent. The senior left tackle is a consistent run blocker and pass protector. While Barton is listed at 6-foot-5, 314 pounds, he might be a bit smaller than that. Some team sources say their clubs are projecting Barton to move inside to guard in the NFL. Barton could end up being a first- or second-round pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.
Barton was named Duke's starting left tackle entering his sophomore season.[5] He was named first-team All-Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) as a junior.[6][7] Barton was rated the fifth-best offensive tackle by Pro Football Focus on the season with a grade of 88.2.[8]
Source - Wikipedia.

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Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.