49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just going over some possible future 49er OT's.

Graham Barton, OT, DukeBarton has received some first-round media hype, and some NFL team sources who spoke with WalterFootball.com said they feel Barton is a legit early-round talent. The senior left tackle is a consistent run blocker and pass protector. While Barton is listed at 6-foot-5, 314 pounds, he might be a bit smaller than that. Some team sources say their clubs are projecting Barton to move inside to guard in the NFL. Barton could end up being a first- or second-round pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.
Barton was named Duke's starting left tackle entering his sophomore season.[5] He was named first-team All-Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) as a junior.[6][7] Barton was rated the fifth-best offensive tackle by Pro Football Focus on the season with a grade of 88.2.[8]
Source - Wikipedia.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I said it in another thread, this team will go as far as the o-line and Purdy allow. So far so good. (Especially with Purdy)

I think the defense is going to have to allow (or not allow) a few things as well. Special teams will matter. Can't forget that the rest of the team has to play well for the team to have success.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

I think tier 1 RB/FB, tier 1 TE, tier maybe 1 WR room, tier 1 DL, maybe tier 1 LB, tier 1 coaching, and tier 2-3 OL = Championship
when I do the calculations..
you have to add up all the tiers, on all the positions, on all the teams, and stack all teams against each other..

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

They were top 10. They weren't tier 1 like you claim. And you are the only poster on here that believes they were tier 1.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

They were top 10. They weren't tier 1 like you claim. And you are the only poster on here that believes they were tier 1.

"on here" is the operative phrase. Like I said, the 5 ppl in the WZ.

The rest of the world agreed it was Philly/KC, hands down. That was never questioned.

They aren't now. Are they gonna win the Superbowl?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

They were top 10. They weren't tier 1 like you claim. And you are the only poster on here that believes they were tier 1.

"on here" is the operative phrase. Like I said, the 5 ppl in the WZ.

The rest of the world agreed it was Philly/KC, hands down. That was never questioned.

They aren't now. Are they gonna win the Superbowl?

On here, on twitter, on FB, on snapchat, etc. I have seen no one else beside you and your one and only source claim KC had a tier 1 O line last season.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Here are my O line rankings through week 2. Its weighed slightly in favor of pass pro over run blocking.

01)MIA
02)LAC
03)BUF
04)CIN
05)SF
06)BAL
07)ARI
08)CLE
09)GB
10)IND
11)WAS
12)JAX
13)DAL
14)KC
15)TEN
16)PHI
17)LV
18)DET
19)DEN
20)CAR
21)ATL
22)NYJ
23)NE
24)LAR
25)MIN
26)NO
27)SEA
28)CHI
29)NYG
30)TB
31)PIT
32) HOU

Obviously its still very early in the season so take them with a grain of salt. I will probably rank them again around week 8 or 9.

How'd you come up with this list?

Yeah…. NGL, this list seems way off.

Id trade our OL for the Eagles OL easily.

The 49ers O line is ranked 21st in pass pro and 1st in run blocking. While the eagles O line is ranked 24th in pass pro and 6th in run blocking.

I think its nearly impossible to make an OL ranking be truly accurate. Because you'd have to try and figure out what the coaches are asking of their OL, what is their TTT, who did they play, how often were they blitzed... and so on.

I think our scheme surely helps our run blocking efficiency numbers, because other than Trent, I don't think this OL is special and having the best running back, best run blocking TE, FB, and Wide Receivers surely helps those numbers.

so you don't care about any info, stats, rankings, grading... you are just set that our OL sucks ?

Not at all... I think the 49ers have a good OL, especially the left side and OL play around the league is down. I also didn't mean to sound disrespectful to Yac. If I did, that was not my intention, and I apologize for that. I was commenting because I've done the same thing. I came up with a formula to rank position groups in the past but I just found it's really hard to find something that works well for the OL, because there's so many different factors to calculate successful OL play.

That was what I was trying to say.

got it

Thats one of the main issues we like to give NC crap here. You can't point to one thing and say that's the reason. There are so many moving parts in the symphony of football

I'm not sure if this is a comprehension thing or you're just digging but I've literally said a 1K times in here, when this team loses, it's a total team collapse. It's NOT just the OL.

Sure, the combination of a tier 1 QB + OL is ideal in the end in this era of football but plenty of other things can blow that up too. There is no golden formula or micro stat.

We're merely talking best odds/probability and giving Brock and Kyle optimal freedom to reach their ceilings and #6.

If you've got something better (e.g. GOAT QB + nothing else matters), let's see the proof of that claim.

In fact, if YAC's own micro stats of trench play are giving him an 83% win rate, that ALSO proves my point and importance of that very combination.

it's def not comp, and of course it's a dig lol

i'm sure you know you contradict everything you say about needing a #1 OL and now you are trying to use YACs % of OLs as if it helps you.

and i do have something better.. You don't need the #1 OL to win a SB

When you dudes were throwing in tier 1 DL and secondary, I had to laugh pretty hard at that one.

As to your last line que the, "Well, we're WAITING" gif.

stop digressing with lies now

and to the waiting, you believe all the SB winners had the #1 OL ? if you do, why don't you PYMWYMI ?

All the recent winners have and I've proven that to you annually. In advance.

I've also proven to you what would happen to those same QB's when they didn't have their tier 1 OL. In advance.

You don't need mirco stats to see that trend.

You need BOTH.

No problem. Take Patrick Mahomes.

don't lie, you needed PM the most last year.. cause that wasn't a great OL

Its a great O line because they won the SB. They didn't win the SB because it was a great O line.

-NC's logic.

Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

They were top 10. They weren't tier 1 like you claim. And you are the only poster on here that believes they were tier 1.

"on here" is the operative phrase. Like I said, the 5 ppl in the WZ.

The rest of the world agreed it was Philly/KC, hands down. That was never questioned.

They aren't now. Are they gonna win the Superbowl?

On here, on twitter, on FB, on snapchat, etc. I have seen no one else beside you and your one and only source claim KC had a tier 1 O line last season.

Riiiiiight.

So is Patrick going to win it this year w/o that tier 1 OL?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most ppl just don't want to argue with you lol. They were not tier 1, just let it f**king go already 😂

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most ppl just don't want to argue with you lol. They were not tier 1, just let it f**king go already 😂

Lol this. And I'm part of the problem. I'll ignore him for awhile then the b******t just gets to be too much and i respond and get pulled into the circular logic nonsense. Just going to do what most everyone else does here and ignore

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most ppl just don't want to argue with you lol. They were not tier 1, just let it f**king go already 😂

Lol this. And I'm part of the problem. I'll ignore him for awhile then the b******t just gets to be too much and i respond and get pulled into the circular logic nonsense. Just going to do what most everyone else does here and ignore

...until the end when I end up right again and you lose your s**t for the 18th year in a row.

I'll see you tomorrow.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Most ppl just don't want to argue with you lol. They were not tier 1, just let it f**king go already 😂

Lol this. And I'm part of the problem. I'll ignore him for awhile then the b******t just gets to be too much and i respond and get pulled into the circular logic nonsense. Just going to do what most everyone else does here and ignore

...until the end when I end up right again and you lose your s**t for the 18th year in a row.

I'll see you tomorrow.

except your never right, you can't even commit to saying who will win based on what you preach lol

well you guys have fun, i'm off to the game

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Only 5 ppl in the WZ didn't think that was a top OL all year.

At least we can all agree now the 9ers aren't a tier 1 OL...yet.

I think tier 1 RB/FB, tier 1 TE, tier maybe 1 WR room, tier 1 DL, maybe tier 1 LB, tier 1 coaching, and tier 2-3 OL = Championship
when I do the calculations..
you have to add up all the tiers, on all the positions, on all the teams, and stack all teams against each other..

We've had a tier 2+ QB and OL playing through the playoffs. Granted all the units played as a tier 7 in the 4Q.

Where do you think Brock and this OL is now? And can we win with all you stated collectively?