49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Eddie_D:
The line has been a concern all offseason. I remember people wanting Glinch out and I told my co-workers be careful for what you wish for because the alternative may not be good.

So you haven't watched McGlinchey much this year.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha.

With Brendel, they brought a ton of A gap blitzes so I wonder how fair these grades are esp. given PP is his strength. In fact, I'm SUPER skeptical of all of these grades given the 85% blitz rate. TW alone had 3 penalties and penalties usually count against PFF grades, IIRC. McKivitz also had a big penalty (off set on the PF call on CMC?). These things should count against a player, IMHO.

It was crazy how much pressure they brought. I think we all held our breath then slowly exhaled as they improved. D coordinators are trying to figure out how to rattle Purdy and while they almost got him in the beginning, he settled in and did well. I think their DT's showed how pedestrian Brendal is. They certainly showed our line needs to communicate better.

I am thinking/assuming we pick at best, mid 20's? That's a prime spot to snag a Center or RT, but we will probably go DT or DE

I can't see that. They have drafted tackle early, #9 overall. I think OL is a lock. Plus we only have one more year of Brock on the cheap deal once we reach the draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha.

With Brendel, they brought a ton of A gap blitzes so I wonder how fair these grades are esp. given PP is his strength. In fact, I'm SUPER skeptical of all of these grades given the 85% blitz rate. TW alone had 3 penalties and penalties usually count against PFF grades, IIRC. McKivitz also had a big penalty (off set on the PF call on CMC?). These things should count against a player, IMHO.

It was crazy how much pressure they brought. I think we all held our breath then slowly exhaled as they improved. D coordinators are trying to figure out how to rattle Purdy and while they almost got him in the beginning, he settled in and did well. I think their DT's showed how pedestrian Brendal is. They certainly showed our line needs to communicate better.

I am thinking/assuming we pick at best, mid 20's? That's a prime spot to snag a Center or RT, but we will probably go DT or DE

Facts. LOL

mid 20's or late late first round tackle won't be good enough to start

Mid 20's you can usually get the #1 C. But yeah, probably #5-7 T.

I never even considered IOL with our first. I still won't, but you can get an elite guard or center where we are likely drafting or can with a small trade up. And the way its shaping up, our immediate need at RG might be greater than the need at tackle. It would run totally counter to the Shanahan MO, but I'd like 1. Tackle 2. Guard 3. Corner 3. Tackle.

But it all depends on how the board falls.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
4eva You mentioned a tackle for BYU, which one left or right. Did not see BYU last weekend but want to watch this weekend.

Kingsley Sumataia LT.

Again, I'd love to start focusing on O line in the draft, but little chance of them playing, or even making any impact their rookie year.

If its a tackle, the goal is to replace Trent, so we aren't expecting rookie year impact. But said player should be an immediate upgrade to the swing tackle position over Jaylon Moore.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
FWIW we'll have to wait until week 5 until we have a real idea about this line. Good thing is it gives them more time to gell.

I'll give it week 8 but yes, we'll certainly know a lot from that Cowboys game.

This is fair. About half the year.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Good points about Burford. 🏹 up on him because this guy found a play where Burford pancakes a DLineman. Finally I see a Burford pancake block! YEAH! I have been looking for one since the start of the season!

Disagree with him that McKivitz is a great run blocker. To me McKivitz uses angles and position, and doesn't have the drive blocking power that an elite Tackle like Trent has to dominate his guy. I'm not saying he's a *bad* run blocker, rather he's limited with his tools set and has to use more agility and athleticism and angles and gets some help from WR's and TE's to get a better position to block. Vs a guy like Trent who can have bad angles but because of his quickness and power, he can still make those bad angle reach blocks. Overall, I have confidence that the 49er right side OLine is developing nicely. They should be ready for the Dallas DLine in about two weeks.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I can't see that. They have drafted tackle early, #9 overall. I think OL is a lock. Plus we only have one more year of Brock on the cheap deal once we reach the draft.

I never even considered IOL with our first. I still won't, but you can get an elite guard or center where we are likely drafting or can with a small trade up. And the way its shaping up, our immediate need at RG might be greater than the need at tackle. It would run totally counter to the Shanahan MO, but I'd like 1. Tackle 2. Guard 3. Corner 3. Tackle.

But it all depends on how the board falls.
If its a tackle, the goal is to replace Trent, so we aren't expecting rookie year impact. But said player should be an immediate upgrade to the swing tackle position over Jaylon Moore.

This is fair. About half the year.

Moore should be given an opportunity to play guard. Where he fits best.

Have more needs than just OL. Zero chance they use 4 of their first 5 picks on OL.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

lol

1. I watched the Giants defense pressured on our 49ers offensive seem not good because not protect our quarterback is Purdy! I think we need draft the top is LT, RT, LG and RG next April 2024. I think, Williams will be probably retired soon. Anyway

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I can't see that. They have drafted tackle early, #9 overall. I think OL is a lock. Plus we only have one more year of Brock on the cheap deal once we reach the draft.

I never even considered IOL with our first. I still won't, but you can get an elite guard or center where we are likely drafting or can with a small trade up. And the way its shaping up, our immediate need at RG might be greater than the need at tackle. It would run totally counter to the Shanahan MO, but I'd like 1. Tackle 2. Guard 3. Corner 3. Tackle.

But it all depends on how the board falls.
If its a tackle, the goal is to replace Trent, so we aren't expecting rookie year impact. But said player should be an immediate upgrade to the swing tackle position over Jaylon Moore.

This is fair. About half the year.

Moore should be given an opportunity to play guard. Where he fits best.

Have more needs than just OL. Zero chance they use 4 of their first 5 picks on OL.

There of the first four. Corner is in there as no. 2 for me. What else could be justified within the first 4 picks besides OL and corner? Another DB isn't playing unless you are trying to replace someone. Ditto for receiver and TE. DL? Absolutely not. What other need trumps replacement for Trent, swing tackle, and an IOL (in case Burford isn't the guy)?

As for Moore, maybe they could if there were two other tackles on the roster.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
There of the first four. Corner is in there as no. 2 for me. What else could be justified within the first 4 picks besides OL and corner? Another DB isn't playing unless you are trying to replace someone. Ditto for receiver and TE. DL? Absolutely not. What other need trumps replacement for Trent, swing tackle, and an IOL (in case Burford isn't the guy)?

Safety as we can't guarantee Huf will he here longterm. Pass rush depth is still important as Farrell won't be here and Beal is unproven.

If the 9ers draft a OT then McKivitz would become the swing if he loses the spot.

9ers need a center more than they do a guard. Let Moore compete at guard with Burford.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

😂

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

Andrew Wylie still terrible at pass blocking.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Andrew Wylie still terrible at pass blocking.

That can't be. A tier1 OL cant gave a turnstile on it we were told