49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
That can't be. A tier1 OL cant gave a turnstile on it we were told

31 teams get graded on a curve

Divert, divert, divert! LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

I see Burford progressing, it's his second year, and while not the biggest and most powerful Guard there is. He's a good system Guard for Kyle. Just like Purdy's not going to WOW you with his measurables, Burford does the job that Kyle needs him to do in this system. Namely, position blocking, reach blocking, and good speed and agility for those screens, zone blocking and such.

As for McKivitz, he's improved on his coordination with Burford and also he's better at the pass rush hand fighting since game 1. Definitely arrow up from the TJ Watt matchup. Same thing with Burford, McKivitz is not going to Wow you with measurables the way Trent does, but he's a system Right Tackle that can do *adequately* what Kyle needs in his offense. Namely zone blocking - now he does need run blocking help, and I think that's one reason Kyle drafted two TE's this offseason. McKivitz's weakness in run blocking isn't a handicap in this offense because he more than makes up for it, in my opinion, on the pass blocking side.

Banks, Brendel, and Trent are good OLinemen - much better than average and - if they all stay healthy - they will be elite again this year. What I'd like to happen is to see ShanaLynch develop Zakelj and Moore to be good interior OLinemen that can challenge Brendel and Burford for the starting jobs. Also need to prepare for Trent's eventual Retirment (most likely after a super bowl win, a la Staley) via next years draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Divert, divert, divert! LOL

Nothing to divert. Brown and Wylie aren't good pass blockers.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nothing to divert. Brown and Wylie aren't good pass blockers.

That can't be. Brown is the real needle mover

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

PFF is a joke bro, I wouldn't pay for their content, now you have to if you want to use the mock draft simulator.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
PFF is a joke bro, I wouldn't pay for their content, now you have to if you want to use the mock draft simulator.

It's only a joke until it supports one's case lol
when did they start cheering for the simulator? I've never had to pay for it

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
PFF is a joke bro, I wouldn't pay for their content, now you have to if you want to use the mock draft simulator.

It's only a joke until it supports one's case lol
when did they start cheering for the simulator? I've never had to pay for it

Which is the basis of your entire stance via YAC.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Divert, divert, divert! LOL

Nothing to divert. Brown and Wylie aren't good pass blockers.

Haha. But YAC had the Bengals top 4 in his PFF combination tiers. You must be crushed.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
PFF is a joke bro, I wouldn't pay for their content, now you have to if you want to use the mock draft simulator.

Preach. The beauty behind it is they have a stat for every narrative. Stick to the subject matter experts instead.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

I see Burford progressing, it's his second year, and while not the biggest and most powerful Guard there is. He's a good system Guard for Kyle. Just like Purdy's not going to WOW you with his measurables, Burford does the job that Kyle needs him to do in this system. Namely, position blocking, reach blocking, and good speed and agility for those screens, zone blocking and such.

As for McKivitz, he's improved on his coordination with Burford and also he's better at the pass rush hand fighting since game 1. Definitely arrow up from the TJ Watt matchup. Same thing with Burford, McKivitz is not going to Wow you with measurables the way Trent does, but he's a system Right Tackle that can do *adequately* what Kyle needs in his offense. Namely zone blocking - now he does need run blocking help, and I think that's one reason Kyle drafted two TE's this offseason. McKivitz's weakness in run blocking isn't a handicap in this offense because he more than makes up for it, in my opinion, on the pass blocking side.

Banks, Brendel, and Trent are good OLinemen - much better than average and - if they all stay healthy - they will be elite again this year. What I'd like to happen is to see ShanaLynch develop Zakelj and Moore to be good interior OLinemen that can challenge Brendel and Burford for the starting jobs. Also need to prepare for Trent's eventual Retirment (most likely after a super bowl win, a la Staley) via next years draft.

I've seen plenty of good and bad from everybody on this OL so far including TW. And same concept with the rest of the unit pass protection.

It's a good line right now. No need to make early assessments one way or another.

Let's wait until week 8. By then we'll have a better idea if this is a top tier OL that'll optimally help (not solo) get us over the hump this time around.

We knew we'd never get over that hump with dudes like Person, Garland, Compton, TW on 1 leg, Tomlinson, etc. starting playoff games for us. I mean, if you're being honest with yourself.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

PFF is a joke bro, I wouldn't pay for their content, now you have to if you want to use the mock draft simulator.

Agree 💯% with you on that AB!

My peeve with PFF is a lot of their statistics are judgement calls, where humans (other than me) are making judgment calls on the statistical numbers. Try as they might to *explain* their numbers, it's still largely based on human bias and judgment. I'm not saying PFF is bad or useless, but it's just another way of looking at the game and the players, sort of like how Grant Cone - looks at 49er stuff differently than most 49er folks. Nothing wrong with it, just different. It's just that Grant Add's some annoying stuff to his 49er takes that PFF doesn't.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

NC has put a hit out on this creator.

LMAO.

This dude has been posted in here before and is a certifiable homer. PFF couldn't disagree with him more.

That said, I always respect the content if he put the time and work in. Slanted or not.

You're always going to find some great clips esp. in this scheme. When it's executed, it's a thing of beauty.

Lol PFF

I couldn't agree more:

Originally posted by dj43:

Overall, here is where our OL ranks by PFF.

Brendel - 25 out of 33. He started at the same point last year and wound up #15, IIRC.

Banks - 57/68 - much lower than last year. He finished last season in the high teens.

Burford - 65/68 - roughly the same as last year. I don't see the progress. Perhaps not having the more experienced McG next to him hurt.

McKivitz - 52/70 - he is who we thought he was—better pass protector than a run blocker. We have a less effective opposite-skill-level of McGlinchey.

Williams - 3/70

I see Burford progressing, it's his second year, and while not the biggest and most powerful Guard there is. He's a good system Guard for Kyle. Just like Purdy's not going to WOW you with his measurables, Burford does the job that Kyle needs him to do in this system. Namely, position blocking, reach blocking, and good speed and agility for those screens, zone blocking and such.

As for McKivitz, he's improved on his coordination with Burford and also he's better at the pass rush hand fighting since game 1. Definitely arrow up from the TJ Watt matchup. Same thing with Burford, McKivitz is not going to Wow you with measurables the way Trent does, but he's a system Right Tackle that can do *adequately* what Kyle needs in his offense. Namely zone blocking - now he does need run blocking help, and I think that's one reason Kyle drafted two TE's this offseason. McKivitz's weakness in run blocking isn't a handicap in this offense because he more than makes up for it, in my opinion, on the pass blocking side.

Banks, Brendel, and Trent are good OLinemen - much better than average and - if they all stay healthy - they will be elite again this year. What I'd like to happen is to see ShanaLynch develop Zakelj and Moore to be good interior OLinemen that can challenge Brendel and Burford for the starting jobs. Also need to prepare for Trent's eventual Retirment (most likely after a super bowl win, a la Staley) via next years draft.

I've seen plenty of good and bad from everybody on this OL so far including TW. And same concept with the rest of the unit pass protection.

It's a good line right now. No need to make early assessments one way or another.

Let's wait until week 8. By then we'll have a better idea if this is a top tier OL that'll optimally help (not solo) get us over the hump this time around.

We knew we'd never get over that hump with dudes like Person, Garland, Compton, TW on 1 leg, Tomlinson, etc. starting playoff games for us. I mean, if you're being honest with yourself.

Well, I was annoyed with McKivitz two point stance, then I thought about it, and it makes sense to stand McKivitz up - better to pass protect while (I guess) he's developing his power as a starting right tackle. I think as McKivitz develops his body more and his power, maybe he'll go to a three point stance. But I think a big thing about McKivitz two point stance is that Kyle has PSTD about Brock getting his arm torn off by Riddick. So he wants McKivitz to basically set up in pass pro, from the git go.

As for assessments -- arrow up on all the OLinemen, and you are 💯% correct that it's too early to make any real assessments of the OLine. But the NY Giant's zero blitz, the Dallas game, will go a long way to assess what the 49ers have this year on that OLine.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Preach. The beauty behind it is they have a stat for every narrative. Stick to the subject matter experts instead.

Any subject matter expert that thinks that was good pass blocking in the playoffs for the Chiefs should be fired

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Any subject matter expert that thinks that was good pass blocking in the playoffs for the Chiefs should be fired

SME!!!!