49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
There of the first four. Corner is in there as no. 2 for me. What else could be justified within the first 4 picks besides OL and corner? Another DB isn't playing unless you are trying to replace someone. Ditto for receiver and TE. DL? Absolutely not. What other need trumps replacement for Trent, swing tackle, and an IOL (in case Burford isn't the guy)?

Safety as we can't guarantee Huf will he here longterm. Pass rush depth is still important as Farrell won't be here and Beal is unproven.

If the 9ers draft a OT then McKivitz would become the swing if he loses the spot.

9ers need a center more than they do a guard. Let Moore compete at guard with Burford.

1. I can't predict the future, but Huff is going to be here. Unless you are using our first or second pick on a safety, we aren't replacing Huff with anyone we draft there.

2. The reasoning behind two tackles is the first is expected to replace Trent. The other is expected to replace Moore at swing tackle. It takes a few years for Foerster to get these guys where he wants and for once, I'd like us for him to work with some premium day 1 and 2 talent.

3. Center over guard? Eh. I disagree but either way, IOL is needed and again, I'd like Foerster to get some premium talent. We have a FQB to protect and I don't want anything- age or injury to get in the way to keeping him upright.

4. We can get a cheap vet signing every year. If Ferrell walks, it'll be for more money and there will be edge guys waiting to replace him looking to be the next Ferrell, Omenihu, Ebukam, and Key. We do not NEED am edge rusher in the first three rounds over OL.

Looking forward, we'd be well-prepared for Trent retiring as well as having guys acclimated to our system.

Great post. I'd also like to add, S's have become like DL to a degree...oversaturated market and you can find quality S's in FA for cheap if need be.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
1. I can't predict the future, but Huff is going to be here. Unless you are using our first or second pick on a safety, we aren't replacing Huff with anyone we draft there.

2. The reasoning behind two tackles is the first is expected to replace Trent. The other is expected to replace Moore at swing tackle. It takes a few years for Foerster to get these guys where he wants and for once, I'd like us for him to work with some premium day 1 and 2 talent.

3. Center over guard? Eh. I disagree but either way, IOL is needed and again, I'd like Foerster to get some premium talent. We have a FQB to protect and I don't want anything- age or injury to get in the way to keeping him upright.

4. We can get a cheap vet signing every year. If Ferrell walks, it'll be for more money and there will be edge guys waiting to replace him looking to be the next Ferrell, Omenihu, Ebukam, and Key. We do not NEED am edge rusher in the first three rounds over OL.

Looking forward, we'd be well-prepared for Trent retiring as well as having guys acclimated to our system.

If you draft a tackle in the first either he or McKivitz would be the swing tackle. All the other tackle would be is inactive most gamedays.

At some point you can't keep everyone. I know AB is confident we can but I am much more dubious. I'd rather they be prepared plus actually having depth in the secondary for once would be nice. I don't see how you keep Greenlaw, Banks and Huff at the same time. A decision will be made and unfortunately I see Huff pricing himself out. Hope I am wrong but they need to prepare.

This team still needs more overall depth and more than just at OL. To argue it's just OL is very shortsighted.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Great post. I'd also like to add, S's have become like DL to a degree...oversaturated market and you can find quality S's in FA for cheap if need be.

And you can still find contributors on the OL late in the draft. If Moore was placed in his proper role he could absolutely compete at guard to start IMO. Don't HAVE to have a guy from day 2.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
1. I can't predict the future, but Huff is going to be here. Unless you are using our first or second pick on a safety, we aren't replacing Huff with anyone we draft there.

2. The reasoning behind two tackles is the first is expected to replace Trent. The other is expected to replace Moore at swing tackle. It takes a few years for Foerster to get these guys where he wants and for once, I'd like us for him to work with some premium day 1 and 2 talent.

3. Center over guard? Eh. I disagree but either way, IOL is needed and again, I'd like Foerster to get some premium talent. We have a FQB to protect and I don't want anything- age or injury to get in the way to keeping him upright.

4. We can get a cheap vet signing every year. If Ferrell walks, it'll be for more money and there will be edge guys waiting to replace him looking to be the next Ferrell, Omenihu, Ebukam, and Key. We do not NEED am edge rusher in the first three rounds over OL.

Looking forward, we'd be well-prepared for Trent retiring as well as having guys acclimated to our system.

If you draft a tackle in the first either he or McKivitz would be the swing tackle. All the other tackle would be is inactive most gamedays.

At some point you can't keep everyone. I know AB is confident we can but I am much more dubious. I'd rather they be prepared plus actually having depth in the secondary for once would be nice. I don't see how you keep Greenlaw, Banks and Huff at the same time. A decision will be made and unfortunately I see Huff pricing himself out. Hope I am wrong but they need to prepare.

This team still needs more overall depth and more than just at OL. To argue it's just OL is very shortsighted.

I keep saying Greenlaw is out. We already have a couple of linebackers in the queue lol. Either AB is right or even he's wrong, we're prepared. I think Banks and Huff will be kept. They aren't letting a safety that good just walk.

The first tackle drafted is the swing or starts at RT- correct. The second tackle is inactive. I don't have a problem with that because this isn't just some 7th round guy we hope turns into a player, its a 3rd rounder that likely will be a player and we have some insurance for injury. I also would like to start the process this offseaaon of preparing not only for Trent's retirement but also depth behind whoever our future starting tackles will be.

Give Foerster some real talent to work with. Keep in mind, this only accounts for 4 of our first picks out if a total of 12. We still have an extra 3rd plus seven more. I think we be fine addressing all the needs. But it would be nice to be able to run left or right exceptionally well as well as for pass pro to hold up on either side. And this isn't a knock against McKivitz or Burford. In my ideal line, those two either improve or they are the "worst" linemen on our team, which is long way from where we were 3-4 years ago.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Great post. I'd also like to add, S's have become like DL to a degree...oversaturated market and you can find quality S's in FA for cheap if need be.

And you can still find contributors on the OL late in the draft. If Moore was placed in his proper role he could absolutely compete at guard to start IMO. Don't HAVE to have a guy from day 2.

Eh. I know Foerster has his ideas on what his players will look like (hence why Brunskill was stuck at guard). So I'm not going to bank on Moore changing positions when he's been at tackle for 3 years. Foerster's philosophy isn't changing. And I'm not looking for potential contributors. I want players who could help from day 1 if called upon. We have player after player at multiple positions on this team, except OL. Virtually no team in the NFL does. We are in a unique position where we could with 12 draft picks. We need to take advantage.

Now our other needs- it isn't receiver. Not on day 1 or 2. I have already accounted for corner. It can't be safety. It can't be TE (and I'll add the kind of player I want we likely will need to draft in the 3rd or 4th). Definitely isn't DL. It isn't FB. It isn't RB. And not only are these not needs, but these are positions where a rookie has no chance of unseating the starter. At guard and tackle there is at least a shot.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Eh. I know Foerster has his ideas on what his players will look like (hence why Brunskill was stuck at guard). So I'm not going to bank on Moore changing positions when he's been at tackle for 3 years. Foerster's philosophy isn't changing. And I'm not looking for potential contributors. I want players who could help from day 1 if called upon. We have player after player at multiple positions on this team, except OL. Virtually no team in the NFL does. We are in a unique position where we could with 12 draft picks. We need to take advantage.

Now our other needs- it isn't receiver. Not on day 1 or 2. I have already accounted for corner. It can't be safety. It can't be TE (and I'll add the kind of player I want we likely will need to draft in the 3rd or 4th). Definitely isn't DL. It isn't FB. It isn't RB. And not only are these not needs, but these are positions where a rookie has no chance of unseating the starter. At guard and tackle there is at least a shot.

You won't find much of that. Guys rarely contribute day 1 at OL. People loved the tackle the Chiefs drafted and yet he's behind a udfa on their depth chart as the 5th tackle.

Disagree that we have that corner. Lenoir can be displaced rather easily. In fact they should be trading for someone at the deadline to do just that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Eh. I know Foerster has his ideas on what his players will look like (hence why Brunskill was stuck at guard). So I'm not going to bank on Moore changing positions when he's been at tackle for 3 years. Foerster's philosophy isn't changing. And I'm not looking for potential contributors. I want players who could help from day 1 if called upon. We have player after player at multiple positions on this team, except OL. Virtually no team in the NFL does. We are in a unique position where we could with 12 draft picks. We need to take advantage.

Now our other needs- it isn't receiver. Not on day 1 or 2. I have already accounted for corner. It can't be safety. It can't be TE (and I'll add the kind of player I want we likely will need to draft in the 3rd or 4th). Definitely isn't DL. It isn't FB. It isn't RB. And not only are these not needs, but these are positions where a rookie has no chance of unseating the starter. At guard and tackle there is at least a shot.

You won't find much of that. Guys rarely contribute day 1 at OL. People loved the tackle the Chiefs drafted and yet he's behind a udfa on their depth chart as the 5th tackle.

Disagree that we have that corner. Lenoir can be displaced rather easily. In fact they should be trading for someone at the deadline to do just that.

I was coming in to talk o line but I was just thinking how far off of Hollywood Brown is Lenior going to play this weekend.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Eh. I know Foerster has his ideas on what his players will look like (hence why Brunskill was stuck at guard). So I'm not going to bank on Moore changing positions when he's been at tackle for 3 years. Foerster's philosophy isn't changing. And I'm not looking for potential contributors. I want players who could help from day 1 if called upon. We have player after player at multiple positions on this team, except OL. Virtually no team in the NFL does. We are in a unique position where we could with 12 draft picks. We need to take advantage.

Now our other needs- it isn't receiver. Not on day 1 or 2. I have already accounted for corner. It can't be safety. It can't be TE (and I'll add the kind of player I want we likely will need to draft in the 3rd or 4th). Definitely isn't DL. It isn't FB. It isn't RB. And not only are these not needs, but these are positions where a rookie has no chance of unseating the starter. At guard and tackle there is at least a shot.

You won't find much of that. Guys rarely contribute day 1 at OL. People loved the tackle the Chiefs drafted and yet he's behind a udfa on their depth chart as the 5th tackle.

Disagree that we have that corner. Lenoir can be displaced rather easily. In fact they should be trading for someone at the deadline to do just that.

I was coming in to talk o line but I was just thinking how far off of Hollywood Brown is Lenior going to play this weekend.

len plays to what the game plan is, they all do

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Eh. I know Foerster has his ideas on what his players will look like (hence why Brunskill was stuck at guard). So I'm not going to bank on Moore changing positions when he's been at tackle for 3 years. Foerster's philosophy isn't changing. And I'm not looking for potential contributors. I want players who could help from day 1 if called upon. We have player after player at multiple positions on this team, except OL. Virtually no team in the NFL does. We are in a unique position where we could with 12 draft picks. We need to take advantage.

Now our other needs- it isn't receiver. Not on day 1 or 2. I have already accounted for corner. It can't be safety. It can't be TE (and I'll add the kind of player I want we likely will need to draft in the 3rd or 4th). Definitely isn't DL. It isn't FB. It isn't RB. And not only are these not needs, but these are positions where a rookie has no chance of unseating the starter. At guard and tackle there is at least a shot.

You won't find much of that. Guys rarely contribute day 1 at OL. People loved the tackle the Chiefs drafted and yet he's behind a udfa on their depth chart as the 5th tackle.

Disagree that we have that corner. Lenoir can be displaced rather easily. In fact they should be trading for someone at the deadline to do just that.

I've stated I want a corner drafted 2nd. With that said, the hate against Lenoir is too much. He's a solid starter, but I recognize room for improvement.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I've stated I want a corner drafted 2nd. With that said, the hate against Lenoir is too much. He's a solid starter, but I recognize room for improvement.

Lenoir is every bit the problem Burford is right now. Both have lots of experience now and yet are still struggling at the little things.

Rewatching the Giants game McKivitz actually wasn't as bad as it was made out. Just needs to work on his hand placement.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Lenoir is every bit the problem Burford is right now. Both have lots of experience now and yet are still struggling at the little things.

Rewatching the Giants game McKivitz actually wasn't as bad as it was made out. Just needs to work on his hand placement.

Hard disagree on this one. Lenoir might get beat some but he has stretches of competence and makes a big time play here or there. Burford appears clueless to me, tripping over other linemen constantly, getting beat inside on pass-pro, I'm not sure he's an NFL caliber starter and he's probably the only starter on the team I would say that about and their respective positions.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I've stated I want a corner drafted 2nd. With that said, the hate against Lenoir is too much. He's a solid starter, but I recognize room for improvement.

Lenoir is every bit the problem Burford is right now. Both have lots of experience now and yet are still struggling at the little things.

Rewatching the Giants game McKivitz actually wasn't as bad as it was made out. Just needs to work on his hand placement.

McKivitz is actually OK and imo has shown improvement each week.

Burford is a bit of a head scratcher atm and more concerning. He is very inconsistent so far.

If you want a feel good perspective - you guys see McGlinchey? Wooooof McKivitz is blowing him away in PP. While I would have liked to see fresh blood competing at tackle, i wish for the next season, but am glad we dodged that bullet.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Great post. I'd also like to add, S's have become like DL to a degree...oversaturated market and you can find quality S's in FA for cheap if need be.

And you can still find contributors on the OL late in the draft. If Moore was placed in his proper role he could absolutely compete at guard to start IMO. Don't HAVE to have a guy from day 2.

Agreed. Talent is talent. The key is time to develop and to what level you want developed too (solid to elite). Like we see with our 5th-UDFA's, there's no exact science.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
1. I can't predict the future, but Huff is going to be here. Unless you are using our first or second pick on a safety, we aren't replacing Huff with anyone we draft there.

2. The reasoning behind two tackles is the first is expected to replace Trent. The other is expected to replace Moore at swing tackle. It takes a few years for Foerster to get these guys where he wants and for once, I'd like us for him to work with some premium day 1 and 2 talent.

3. Center over guard? Eh. I disagree but either way, IOL is needed and again, I'd like Foerster to get some premium talent. We have a FQB to protect and I don't want anything- age or injury to get in the way to keeping him upright.

4. We can get a cheap vet signing every year. If Ferrell walks, it'll be for more money and there will be edge guys waiting to replace him looking to be the next Ferrell, Omenihu, Ebukam, and Key. We do not NEED am edge rusher in the first three rounds over OL.

Looking forward, we'd be well-prepared for Trent retiring as well as having guys acclimated to our system.

If you draft a tackle in the first either he or McKivitz would be the swing tackle. All the other tackle would be is inactive most gamedays.

At some point you can't keep everyone. I know AB is confident we can but I am much more dubious. I'd rather they be prepared plus actually having depth in the secondary for once would be nice. I don't see how you keep Greenlaw, Banks and Huff at the same time. A decision will be made and unfortunately I see Huff pricing himself out. Hope I am wrong but they need to prepare.

This team still needs more overall depth and more than just at OL. To argue it's just OL is very shortsighted.

I haven't seen that but I'd hope not.

Just an FYI for those worried about losing guys like Huf, Dre, AA, Aiyuk, Ward, & Banks, I did two articles today, kinda linking them together, I probably should have done 1 article, but wanted to get the views up, anyway here's the links.

My 2 newest articles for today, projecting contracts for Armstead, Greenlaw, & Ward, and then Aiyuk, Banks, & Hufanga.

https://49erscap.com/index.php/2023/09/25/projecting-what-kind-of-extensions-arik-armstead-dre-greenlaw-charvarius-ward-could-get-from-the-49ers-in-2024/

https://49erscap.com/index.php/2023/09/25/projecting-what-kind-of-extensions-brandon-aiyuk-aaron-banks-talanoa-hufanga-could-get-from-the-49ers-in-2024/