49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By losing 31-9? Huh. It IS an upside-down world. LOL

It's an upside down world if someone were to say they were elite in the playoffs last year. More fun to pretend to push the narrative.

But since Mahomes didn't want to crap on his teammates it mustve been great.

Yeah, the least sacked QB was just throwing his OL a bone immediately after the win. LOL

And yes, his mobility helped in that, no doubt.

But we're talking about the one he LOST and why. Same concept we went through...although the rest of our team also tanked as well in the 4Q at the same time.

KC's SB win, SB Loss and first game of this year are all the same or pretty close in OL play.. drops by his receivers is the only difference in the outcome

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By losing 31-9? Huh. It IS an upside-down world. LOL

It's an upside down world if someone were to say they were elite in the playoffs last year. More fun to pretend to push the narrative.

But since Mahomes didn't want to crap on his teammates it mustve been great.

Yeah, the least sacked QB was just throwing his OL a bone immediately after the win. LOL

And yes, his mobility helped in that, no doubt.

But we're talking about the one he LOST and why. Same concept we went through...although the rest of our team also tanked as well in the 4Q at the same time.

I think that's a big difference between elite QB's and very good QB's, it's that mobility. If you get pressure up the middle, guys like Brock and Mahomes can get away from the pressure. Not guys like Jimmy. Arm talent and arm accuracy also factor (for sure) into that - but assuming a QB isn't mobile and all other things being equal, it behooves a GM to get the big horses up front to protect that QB from inside pressure and elite edge rushers. Kyle didn't do that, and had Person and Brunskill as starting OLinemen in the Super Bowl, and we lost. Losing Richburg bumped us down a tier or two, maybe more -- the way Person got dominated by Chris Jones. That was just a bad matchup waiting to happen. Reminds me of Bubba Paris vs Chris Dolman. 14-2 and we lose to the Vikings who barely made it into the playoffs, if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I read that we're being blitz more than any other team atm, also giving up the most pressure.

Brock is the 3rd highest blitzed QB in the league this season and has faced the 8th highest pressure rate.

I see..... this is what I was reading about or talking about though.... wasn't sure if it was accurate.

https://gyazo.com/815d992842746828cda443e4febbd616

Wonder where Nick Wagoner got his info from?

Blitz %

Hurts- 56.9%
Minshew- 56.6%
Purdy- 55.4%

Pressure %

Z. Wilson - 51.0%
Fields- 47.4%
Young- 46.9%
D. Jones- 46.7%
Pickett- 46.5%
Dalton- 43.8%
R. Wilson- 40.7%
Purdy- 40.6%

As far as sacks. Purdy is the 11th best QB in the league in terms of avoiding sacks when pressured. Only 14.6% of the pressures Brock faces end up in a sack.

That's what I was wondering too lol....

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By losing 31-9? Huh. It IS an upside-down world. LOL

It's an upside down world if someone were to say they were elite in the playoffs last year. More fun to pretend to push the narrative.

But since Mahomes didn't want to crap on his teammates it mustve been great.

Yeah, the least sacked QB was just throwing his OL a bone immediately after the win. LOL

And yes, his mobility helped in that, no doubt.

But we're talking about the one he LOST and why. Same concept we went through...although the rest of our team also tanked as well in the 4Q at the same time.

I think that's a big difference between elite QB's and very good QB's, it's that mobility. If you get pressure up the middle, guys like Brock and Mahomes can get away from the pressure. Not guys like Jimmy. Arm talent and arm accuracy also factor (for sure) into that - but assuming a QB isn't mobile and all other things being equal, it behooves a GM to get the big horses up front to protect that QB from inside pressure and elite edge rushers. Kyle didn't do that, and had Person and Brunskill as starting OLinemen in the Super Bowl, and we lost. Losing Richburg bumped us down a tier or two, maybe more -- the way Person got dominated by Chris Jones. That was just a bad matchup waiting to happen. Reminds me of Bubba Paris vs Chris Dolman. 14-2 and we lose to the Vikings who barely made it into the playoffs, if I recall correctly.

It really depends. What I focus more on is phone booth mobility, innate instincts (like, eyes in the back of their head), short area quickness, processing (to avoid those pressures), etc. Mahomes has all of it. But classic drop back passers can possess much of this as well. Brock seems to be pretty good at this as well overall.

But yes, there clearly is a tipping point when none of that can be overcome when the 5-7 protective bodies in front of him are getting beat. Hence why you need both to be optimal.

Guy Haberman just introduced me to a stat that I didn't know was available. It places the % of pressures that each position has been responsible for. Looks like Burford has been a huge liability and has been responsible for almost 37% of all pressures allowed.

That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Yes, I am more concerned with his lack of growth than anything. He has been very inconsistent.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Yes, I am more concerned with his lack of growth than anything. He has been very inconsistent.

Brunskill is the 9th best pass protector at RG in the NFL. Maybe we should have paid him to stay?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Wonder where Nick Wagoner got his info from?

Blitz %

Hurts- 56.9%
Minshew- 56.6%
Purdy- 55.4%

Pressure %

Z. Wilson - 51.0%
Fields- 47.4%
Young- 46.9%
D. Jones- 46.7%
Pickett- 46.5%
Dalton- 43.8%
R. Wilson- 40.7%
Purdy- 40.6%

As far as sacks. Purdy is the 11th best QB in the league in terms of avoiding sacks when pressured. Only 14.6% of the pressures Brock faces end up in a sack.

I don't know that there is a definitive answer to this, blitzing should be cut and dry...was there 4 or 5+ people coming after the QB, but you get different blitz numbers from different places. Hurries are even more subjective.

I use Fantasy Pros mostly because they keep average time of throw right on the same page. That should be a straight forward time from snap to throw. Less subjective then Time TO throw...where some one is taking a guess of how long a QB has until they had to throw it.

I saw Brock's time to throw for weeks one and 2 listed at 1.9 seconds....but the hard timing of snap to throw was 2.1 seconds....so eh....go figure.

For whatever it is worth....

FP list Brocks blitz rate (5 or more defenders going for the QB) at 43.9% for a total of 40 blitzs. With a time of throw at 2.2 seconds

Oddly enough, Zack Wilson listed above at 51.0% pressure rate has a Time of Throw at 2.7 seconds with a blitz rate of 30.9.

Is it right? Who the hell knows.....

Hard to reconcile Zack Wilson having 2.7 seconds at time of throw to a guy with a 51% pressure rate....but I am not about to suffer though a some Jets games to find out....I would rather sit in ignorance than watch that s**t show....

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Wonder where Nick Wagoner got his info from?

Blitz %

Hurts- 56.9%
Minshew- 56.6%
Purdy- 55.4%

Pressure %

Z. Wilson - 51.0%
Fields- 47.4%
Young- 46.9%
D. Jones- 46.7%
Pickett- 46.5%
Dalton- 43.8%
R. Wilson- 40.7%
Purdy- 40.6%

As far as sacks. Purdy is the 11th best QB in the league in terms of avoiding sacks when pressured. Only 14.6% of the pressures Brock faces end up in a sack.

I don't know that there is a definitive answer to this, blitzing should be cut and dry...was there 4 or 5+ people coming after the QB, but you get different blitz numbers from different places. Hurries are even more subjective.

I use Fantasy Pros mostly because they keep average time of throw right on the same page. That should be a straight forward time from snap to throw. Less subjective then Time TO throw...where some one is taking a guess of how long a QB has until they had to throw it.

I saw Brock's time to throw for weeks one and 2 listed at 1.9 seconds....but the hard timing of snap to throw was 2.1 seconds....so eh....go figure.

For whatever it is worth....

FP list Brocks blitz rate (5 or more defenders going for the QB) at 43.9% for a total of 40 blitzs. With a time of throw at 2.2 seconds

Oddly enough, Zack Wilson listed above at 51.0% pressure rate has a Time of Throw at 2.7 seconds with a blitz rate of 30.9.

Is it right? Who the hell knows.....

Hard to reconcile Zack Wilson having 2.7 seconds at time of throw to a guy with a 51% pressure rate....but I am not about to suffer though a some Jets games to find out....I would rather sit in ignorance than watch that s**t show....

Unless there is a split for average time to throw clean pocket vs average time to throw under pressure like PFF has, that average time to throw tells you very little about how the o line held up. My issue is that PFF does not separate under pressure stats from vs blitz stats. So you cannot decipher which pressures came from a 4 man rush vs 5+ man rush.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Yes, I am more concerned with his lack of growth than anything. He has been very inconsistent.

Brunskill is the 9th best pass protector at RG in the NFL. Maybe we should have paid him to stay?

I don't think its always that easy or black and white. Example, we wanted Bosa so you make sacrifices elsewhere. Burford started off good, but has since not been consistent in PP. I think a new RT and OK center plays into that. When I am watching the games he has a fine play, then he has a bad one. IMO its mental more than anything. Hopefully he gets it together because I think he can be good.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Yes, I am more concerned with his lack of growth than anything. He has been very inconsistent.

Brunskill is the 9th best pass protector at RG in the NFL. Maybe we should have paid him to stay?

I don't think its always that easy or black and white. Example, we wanted Bosa so you make sacrifices elsewhere. Burford started off good, but has since not been consistent in PP. I think a new RT and OK center plays into that. When I am watching the games he has a fine play, then he has a bad one. IMO its mental more than anything. Hopefully he gets it together because I think he can be good.

Burford and Brendel have been playing together for over a year now. Brendel is the 4th worse pass protecting center in the NFL this season. He was actually a lot better last season where he ranked like 12th best. So I don't know if they are both playing poorly or if one is affecting the other. As far as McKivitz, outside of the PIT game he has been holding his own in pass pro. He has given up 1 pressure and 0 sacks in the last two games.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Guy Haberman just introduced me to a stat that I didn't know was available. It places the % of pressures that each position has been responsible for. Looks like Burford has been a huge liability and has been responsible for almost 37% of all pressures allowed.

That's pretty cool. That 'Other' category is important as well...shows the rest of the unit pass protection and how much we rely on it compared to others, I'd imagine.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Yes, I am more concerned with his lack of growth than anything. He has been very inconsistent.

Brunskill is the 9th best pass protector at RG in the NFL. Maybe we should have paid him to stay?

I don't think its always that easy or black and white. Example, we wanted Bosa so you make sacrifices elsewhere. Burford started off good, but has since not been consistent in PP. I think a new RT and OK center plays into that. When I am watching the games he has a fine play, then he has a bad one. IMO its mental more than anything. Hopefully he gets it together because I think he can be good.

Burford and Brendel have been playing together for over a year now. Brendel is the 4th worse pass protecting center in the NFL this season. He was actually a lot better last season where he ranked like 12th best. So I don't know if they are both playing poorly or if one is affecting the other. As far as McKivitz, outside of the PIT game he has been holding his own in pass pro. He has given up 1 pressure and 0 sacks in the last two games.

I'd imagine he's had to deal with a ton more A gap pressures this year. I wonder how those are assigned to him/not.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Guy Haberman just introduced me to a stat that I didn't know was available. It places the % of pressures that each position has been responsible for. Looks like Burford has been a huge liability and has been responsible for almost 37% of all pressures allowed.

That's pretty cool. That 'Other' category is important as well...shows the rest of the unit pass protection and how much we rely on it compared to others, I'd imagine.

Is that my boy Isiah Wynn on the Dolphins at 0%?!