49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
But yes, there clearly is a tipping point when none of that can be overcome when the 5-7 protective bodies in front of him are getting beat. Hence why you need both to be optimal.

One step further: You need a good team.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Guy Haberman just introduced me to a stat that I didn't know was available. It places the % of pressures that each position has been responsible for. Looks like Burford has been a huge liability and has been responsible for almost 37% of all pressures allowed.

....uhhh....in comparison to the rest of the line. Yea.

Problem is people that aren't good with numbers will think these percentages mean something across the league or compared to other teams, when these percentages are only internal figures.

FWIW. Being responsible for 37% of pressures allowed doesn't make u a huge liability....as that could be several pressures total over the course of 3 games. Again,...let's not get carried away with percentages -- ones comparing u to the rest of your team and no one else -- and make too much of them.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is 2nd highest pressure rate allowed from the RG spot in the entire league.

Right on cue.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Guy Haberman just introduced me to a stat that I didn't know was available. It places the % of pressures that each position has been responsible for. Looks like Burford has been a huge liability and has been responsible for almost 37% of all pressures allowed.

....uhhh....in comparison to the rest of the line. Yea.

Problem is people that aren't good with numbers will think these percentages mean something across the league or compared to other teams, when these percentages are only internal figures.

FWIW. Being responsible for 37% of pressures allowed doesn't make u a huge liability....as that could be several pressures total over the course of 3 games. Again,...let's not get carried away with percentages -- ones comparing u to the rest of your team and no one else -- and make too much of them.

Sorry. Didn't see your post above before responding.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By losing 31-9? Huh. It IS an upside-down world. LOL

It's an upside down world if someone were to say they were elite in the playoffs last year. More fun to pretend to push the narrative.

But since Mahomes didn't want to crap on his teammates it mustve been great.

Yeah, the least sacked QB was just throwing his OL a bone immediately after the win. LOL

And yes, his mobility helped in that, no doubt.

But we're talking about the one he LOST and why. Same concept we went through...although the rest of our team also tanked as well in the 4Q at the same time.

I think that's a big difference between elite QB's and very good QB's, it's that mobility. If you get pressure up the middle, guys like Brock and Mahomes can get away from the pressure. Not guys like Jimmy. Arm talent and arm accuracy also factor (for sure) into that - but assuming a QB isn't mobile and all other things being equal, it behooves a GM to get the big horses up front to protect that QB from inside pressure and elite edge rushers. Kyle didn't do that, and had Person and Brunskill as starting OLinemen in the Super Bowl, and we lost. Losing Richburg bumped us down a tier or two, maybe more -- the way Person got dominated by Chris Jones. That was just a bad matchup waiting to happen. Reminds me of Bubba Paris vs Chris Dolman. 14-2 and we lose to the Vikings who barely made it into the playoffs, if I recall correctly.

It really depends. What I focus more on is phone booth mobility, innate instincts (like, eyes in the back of their head), short area quickness, processing (to avoid those pressures), etc. Mahomes has all of it. But classic drop back passers can possess much of this as well. Brock seems to be pretty good at this as well overall.

But yes, there clearly is a tipping point when none of that can be overcome when the 5-7 protective bodies in front of him are getting beat. Hence why you need both to be optimal.

For Good QB play, your OLine needs to give time for the QB to throw. In a heavy play action pass like the 49ers, you have to have OLinemen that can do fire-out blocks and at the same time convert to pass blocking after that fire out. The interior OLinemen can get caught with their pants down if the Defense doesn't buy the fire-out block and swims the guy and Nails Brock mid-throw.

In other words, to a certain extent the CMC effect can buy your OLinemen time to set up, on a given play pass or naked boot, but not always - specially if they don't buy Kyle's eye-candy (example Eagles playoff game).

Brendel and Burford have to solidify that interior for this offense to really work well. I'm hoping for Zakelj to challenge Brendel, as he's (i think) bigger and stronger and more athletic than Brendel. I don't know why he's not taken over the center positon yet (possibly because of the mental side - calling protections etc...) but Zakelj taking over Brendel's spot puts in a bigger stronger and just as athletic a guy in the center positon to make that interior line stronger. I think Zakelj and Burford along with a rapidly improving McKivits might make this an elite OLine, if Zakelj can develop.

If not, next year - if McKivitz can solidify the right tackle spot. Then Left tackle and Center would be my OLine priorities.

How did that tier 1 Lions OL do last night? No really...didn't catch the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:
How did that tier 1 Lions OL do last night? No really...didn't catch the game.

oh man NC, if you were a Pack fan, you would be livid right now, just beside yourself
let's just say, they had some issues up front

Lions are strong, both sides of the trenches
Montgomery gonna score a lot of TDs this season

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How did that tier 1 Lions OL do last night? No really...didn't catch the game.

oh man NC, if you were a Pack fan, you would be livid right now, just beside yourself
let's just say, they had some issues up front

Lions are strong, both sides of the trenches
Montgomery gonna score a lot of TDs this season

Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

GB has nearly all round 1s on D, they are a good test, DET passed, from the eye test
they got those yards, when they needed em

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

goff started to get up slower and slower after all those hits

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

GB has nearly all round 1s on D, they are a good test, DET passed, from the eye test
they got those yards, when they needed em

Love was responsible for 11.1% of the pressure's he faced. The O line did him no favors either. That Lion's D can stop the run and get after the QB. They could be a potential playoff opponent to keep an eye on.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

GB has nearly all round 1s on D, they are a good test, DET passed, from the eye test
they got those yards, when they needed em

No, it has been stated that it's all about the #s and if the teams wins the championship.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Stat line was not nearly as clean as I thought…2 sacks, 6 QB hits, fair amount of pressures and if you take out the 1 carry that went for 40 by Raymond that went for 40 they were at 4.2 YPC (4.9 overall with)

Thanks. I saw BT post this. Sounds like there was an injury to the starter but the backup is playing well ATM.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How did that tier 1 Lions OL do last night? No really...didn't catch the game.

oh man NC, if you were a Pack fan, you would be livid right now, just beside yourself
let's just say, they had some issues up front

Lions are strong, both sides of the trenches
Montgomery gonna score a lot of TDs this season

Packers is not a measuring stick, Lions should be 1-3

Disagree, my little girls like the Lions and Dolphins, so I follow both teams to keep them in the loop. Detroit Lions are solid and about to get back Jameson Williams. He should add an explosive element to their offense. I think the Lions lack depth and injuries will make it difficult as the season progresses, but make no mistake, they are a legit squad when healthy.