49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
You are the only one talking about pff grades. No one here ever has.

Yac talks about their stats not their grades.

Guy doesn't even read the full grades

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The O-line clearly is not a problem, we are winning with the line as is.

The O-line is a problem. Everything to the right of #71 is a problem. We are winning DESPITE the OL. We are winning because of Trent and Kyle's scheming.

Check the rankings:
Banks is having an off-year. He ranks #53 of 73 Guards.

Burford is still the same guy he was last year - #65 of 73.

Brendel is #28 of 33.

McKivitz is Mike McGlinchey with reverse numbers in run and pass blocking.

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YAC's post about the direction of running plays makes it obvious. We are a left-handed running team because we can't do anything else until improvements are made.

Here are a couple historic accounts from BT and PFF.

These peer-ranks look oddly familiar, don't they? As to the OL, ShanaLynch seem to have a very consistent type:

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

Brandon is one of the best OL evaluators out there, and he's releasing his tiers. Tier 1=elite. Tier 2=very good. Tier 3=good/above average. Tier 4-solid/average 49ers

LT Trent Williams is in Tier 1
Richburg/McGlinchey in Tier 3
Tomlinson/Brunskill in Tier 4

Thanks for the look-back.

I can't believe Kyle likes the lack of balance. Last year it was clear they were trying to break Burford in and get him to a higher level but couldn't afford him in all the time. Brunskill was coming off an injury and was never fully healthy, hence the time split. As we know, Brunskill left for starter money in Tennessee and is having a very good year, as the #12 ranked guard. Now we are left with the hope Burford improves and Banks gets back to last season's form.

No problem. Yeah, let's hope that's a temporary issue at RG and Burford has a much higher talent ceiling and that starts to materialize towards the end of the season and Brunskill falls off (like he usually does). We're going to need it!

Who is BT? (from earlier post)

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
You are the only one talking about pff grades. No one here ever has.

Yac talks about their stats not their grades.

Guy doesn't even read the full grades

PFF is ALL you guys talk about to make "your" case. It's comical. 🤡

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The O-line clearly is not a problem, we are winning with the line as is.

The O-line is a problem. Everything to the right of #71 is a problem. We are winning DESPITE the OL. We are winning because of Trent and Kyle's scheming.

Check the rankings:
Banks is having an off-year. He ranks #53 of 73 Guards.

Burford is still the same guy he was last year - #65 of 73.

Brendel is #28 of 33.

McKivitz is Mike McGlinchey with reverse numbers in run and pass blocking.

---------------

YAC's post about the direction of running plays makes it obvious. We are a left-handed running team because we can't do anything else until improvements are made.

Here are a couple historic accounts from BT and PFF.

These peer-ranks look oddly familiar, don't they? As to the OL, ShanaLynch seem to have a very consistent type:

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

Brandon is one of the best OL evaluators out there, and he's releasing his tiers. Tier 1=elite. Tier 2=very good. Tier 3=good/above average. Tier 4-solid/average 49ers

LT Trent Williams is in Tier 1
Richburg/McGlinchey in Tier 3
Tomlinson/Brunskill in Tier 4

Thanks for the look-back.

I can't believe Kyle likes the lack of balance. Last year it was clear they were trying to break Burford in and get him to a higher level but couldn't afford him in all the time. Brunskill was coming off an injury and was never fully healthy, hence the time split. As we know, Brunskill left for starter money in Tennessee and is having a very good year, as the #12 ranked guard. Now we are left with the hope Burford improves and Banks gets back to last season's form.

No problem. Yeah, let's hope that's a temporary issue at RG and Burford has a much higher talent ceiling and that starts to materialize towards the end of the season and Brunskill falls off (like he usually does). We're going to need it!

Who is BT? (from earlier post)

Sorry, Brandon Thorn. He and their Trench Warfare site have been subject matter experts on both OL/DL play forever:

Trench Warfare | Brandon Thorn | Substack https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/

A must-follow on X (Twitter)

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:
Slight sidetrack here:

I never felt Brunskill got a chance to be a starter here. As a former TE, like Joe Staley, he was quite athletic with good footwork. As such, he demonstrated the ability to play all across the line, a much-needed attribute. During his time here, no one else filled that need. (I believe he could have replaced McGlinchey but for Mc's draft status.) However, he never got the chance because of his perceived value as a jack-of-all-trades. I believe had he been fully healthy last season, as Burford continued to struggle, he would have won and kept the RG slot. Unfortunately, that never happened and the Titans came calling. I follow him on X and he seems to be quite popular. Some former teammates stay in touch there as well.

I won't say the FO here screwed up, but I do believe they felt he would stay at a journeyman wage, which proved not to be the case. Now he is getting, and earning starter pay. Good for him.

Totally agree!!

I really wanted him at RT - IMO he'd still be here if they let him grow a bit more in the position.

It's a slow afternoon so I did some comparison checking between Mc and Brunskill.

McGlinchey is listed as 6'8", 315, 34 arms, and 10 hands.
Brunskill - 6'5", 300, 34, 10

It seemed DB's lower center of gravity and good footwork, combined with similar length, would have made him well-suited to take over the RT slot. *sigh*

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Also, current McGlinchey v McKivitz in PFF PP v RBLK

Glinch - 58/70.5
McKivitz - 62.7/53.6

McKivitz is a slightly better pass protector but not even close to McGlinchey in run blocking. No wonder the run game seems left-handed most of the time.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:
Slight sidetrack here:

I never felt Brunskill got a chance to be a starter here. As a former TE, like Joe Staley, he was quite athletic with good footwork. As such, he demonstrated the ability to play all across the line, a much-needed attribute. During his time here, no one else filled that need. (I believe he could have replaced McGlinchey but for Mc's draft status.) However, he never got the chance because of his perceived value as a jack-of-all-trades. I believe had he been fully healthy last season, as Burford continued to struggle, he would have won and kept the RG slot. Unfortunately, that never happened and the Titans came calling. I follow him on X and he seems to be quite popular. Some former teammates stay in touch there as well.

I won't say the FO here screwed up, but I do believe they felt he would stay at a journeyman wage, which proved not to be the case. Now he is getting, and earning starter pay. Good for him.

Totally agree!!

I really wanted him at RT - IMO he'd still be here if they let him grow a bit more in the position.

It's a slow afternoon so I did some comparison checking between Mc and Brunskill.

McGlinchey is listed as 6'8", 315, 34 arms, and 10 hands.
Brunskill - 6'5", 300, 34, 10

It seemed DB's lower center of gravity and good footwork, combined with similar length, would have made him well-suited to take over the RT slot. *sigh*

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Also, current McGlinchey v McKivitz in PFF PP v RBLK

Glinch - 58/70.5
McKivitz - 62.7/53.6

McKivitz is a slightly better pass protector but not even close to McGlinchey in run blocking. No wonder the run game seems left-handed most of the time.

So true!!!

BT is a must read for those who won't pay for and read the actual content

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The O-line clearly is not a problem, we are winning with the line as is.

The O-line is a problem. Everything to the right of #71 is a problem. We are winning DESPITE the OL. We are winning because of Trent and Kyle's scheming.

Check the rankings:
Banks is having an off-year. He ranks #53 of 73 Guards.

Burford is still the same guy he was last year - #65 of 73.

Brendel is #28 of 33.

McKivitz is Mike McGlinchey with reverse numbers in run and pass blocking.

---------------

YAC's post about the direction of running plays makes it obvious. We are a left-handed running team because we can't do anything else until improvements are made.

Here are a couple historic accounts from BT and PFF.

These peer-ranks look oddly familiar, don't they? As to the OL, ShanaLynch seem to have a very consistent type:

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

Brandon is one of the best OL evaluators out there, and he's releasing his tiers. Tier 1=elite. Tier 2=very good. Tier 3=good/above average. Tier 4-solid/average 49ers

LT Trent Williams is in Tier 1
Richburg/McGlinchey in Tier 3
Tomlinson/Brunskill in Tier 4

Thanks for the look-back.

I can't believe Kyle likes the lack of balance. Last year it was clear they were trying to break Burford in and get him to a higher level but couldn't afford him in all the time. Brunskill was coming off an injury and was never fully healthy, hence the time split. As we know, Brunskill left for starter money in Tennessee and is having a very good year, as the #12 ranked guard. Now we are left with the hope Burford improves and Banks gets back to last season's form.

No problem. Yeah, let's hope that's a temporary issue at RG and Burford has a much higher talent ceiling and that starts to materialize towards the end of the season and Brunskill falls off (like he usually does). We're going to need it!

Who is BT? (from earlier post)

Sorry, Brandon Thorn. He and their Trench Warfare site have been subject matter experts on both OL/DL play forever:

Trench Warfare | Brandon Thorn | Substack https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/

A must-follow on X (Twitter)

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
BT is a must read for those who won't pay for and read the actual content

Welcome to 2023.

X is free to read. LOL

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
BT is a must read for those who won't pay for and read the actual content

Needs Dave Lombardi to tweet him his info.

I do enjoy the wait till mid-season so these random "subject matter experts" can tell me how to think.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The O-line clearly is not a problem, we are winning with the line as is.

The O-line is a problem. Everything to the right of #71 is a problem. We are winning DESPITE the OL. We are winning because of Trent and Kyle's scheming.

Check the rankings:
Banks is having an off-year. He ranks #53 of 73 Guards.

Burford is still the same guy he was last year - #65 of 73.

Brendel is #28 of 33.

McKivitz is Mike McGlinchey with reverse numbers in run and pass blocking.

---------------

YAC's post about the direction of running plays makes it obvious. We are a left-handed running team because we can't do anything else until improvements are made.

Here are a couple historic accounts from BT and PFF.

These peer-ranks look oddly familiar, don't they? As to the OL, ShanaLynch seem to have a very consistent type:

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

Brandon is one of the best OL evaluators out there, and he's releasing his tiers. Tier 1=elite. Tier 2=very good. Tier 3=good/above average. Tier 4-solid/average 49ers

LT Trent Williams is in Tier 1
Richburg/McGlinchey in Tier 3
Tomlinson/Brunskill in Tier 4

Thanks for the look-back.

I can't believe Kyle likes the lack of balance. Last year it was clear they were trying to break Burford in and get him to a higher level but couldn't afford him in all the time. Brunskill was coming off an injury and was never fully healthy, hence the time split. As we know, Brunskill left for starter money in Tennessee and is having a very good year, as the #12 ranked guard. Now we are left with the hope Burford improves and Banks gets back to last season's form.

No problem. Yeah, let's hope that's a temporary issue at RG and Burford has a much higher talent ceiling and that starts to materialize towards the end of the season and Brunskill falls off (like he usually does). We're going to need it!

Who is BT? (from earlier post)

Sorry, Brandon Thorn. He and their Trench Warfare site have been subject matter experts on both OL/DL play forever:

Trench Warfare | Brandon Thorn | Substack https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/

A must-follow on X (Twitter)

Any time. The paywall is for those who bet and do FF as they review the weekly OLvDL matchups very closely and other key indicators. They provide summer, mid-point and playoff ranks of all OL/DL and rank by tier and within them. They've been spot on as the Superbowl winners have all come from their tier 1 rankings. For instance, they have our DL as tier 1, #2 behind Dallas.

They are the equivalent of having Hero, Thl, JD, WRATH and Niners816 all working for a site full time, for many many years and focusing on just one unit.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
BT is a must read for those who won't pay for and read the actual content

Needs Dave Lombardi to tweet him his info.

I do enjoy the wait till mid-season so these random "subject matter experts" can tell me how to think.

Nah, Lombardi is a shill…until he isn't 🤣

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
BT is a must read for those who won't pay for and read the actual content

Needs Dave Lombardi to tweet him his info.

I do enjoy the wait till mid-season so these random "subject matter experts" can tell me how to think.

No need. DL is in here on the regular.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Imagine if we drafted Wirfs

Then no Aiyuk

Originally posted by NCommand:


PFF is ALL you guys talk about to make "your" case. It's comical. 🤡

Bringing PFF up over and over is simply a diversion tactic.