49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think he's improved a lot too. That left side is legit. That said, it's odd he's ranked so low compared to his peers by PFF at the same time.

Like I always say, esp. with regards to the OL, the genius in PFF is there is a stat for everyone's narrative.

It's better to rely on the SME's.

Or watch for yourself and make up your own mind.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Banks is 4th best LG at pressure rate and the 9ers are running for a boatload off LG but he's 56th of 63 guards.

Yup. This is what the metrics say about Banks' improvement.

Pressure responsibility
2022- 38.1%
2023- 9.1%

Pressure rate & sacks
2022- 4.8%, 1 sack
2023- 2.3%, 0 sacks

Rushing direction LG
2022- 11 attempts, 4.6 YPC, 0 TD's, 1 FD
2023- 11 attempts, 8.5 YPC, 1 TD, 4 FD's.

Penalties
2022- 5
2023- 0

I think he's improved a lot too. That left side is legit. That said, it's odd he's ranked so low compared to his peers by PFF at the same time.

Like I always say, esp. with regards to the OL, the genius in PFF is there is a stat for everyone's narrative.

It's better to rely on the SME's.

You posted another site in the offseason that rates OLine which made more sense. I stopped paying too much attention to PFF after Warner had an amazing game and was rated at 40%. I think it was following the steelers game, can't remember.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Banks is 4th best LG at pressure rate and the 9ers are running for a boatload off LG but he's 56th of 63 guards.

Yup. This is what the metrics say about Banks' improvement.

Pressure responsibility
2022- 38.1%
2023- 9.1%

Pressure rate & sacks
2022- 4.8%, 1 sack
2023- 2.3%, 0 sacks

Rushing direction LG
2022- 11 attempts, 4.6 YPC, 0 TD's, 1 FD
2023- 11 attempts, 8.5 YPC, 1 TD, 4 FD's.

Penalties
2022- 5
2023- 0

I think he's improved a lot too. That left side is legit. That said, it's odd he's ranked so low compared to his peers by PFF at the same time.

Like I always say, esp. with regards to the OL, the genius in PFF is there is a stat for everyone's narrative.

It's better to rely on the SME's.

You posted another site in the offseason that rates OLine which made more sense. I stopped paying too much attention to PFF after Warner had an amazing game and was rated at 40%. I think it was following the steelers game, can't remember.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Yes and no people who do not look at stats have only opinion and not critical thinking. Stats do not tell the whole story however. As mentioned, Warner with a 40 point ranking after a game he played great and he was key in a win.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not by SME's when that's ALL they cover. But yes, ESPN, etc. no doubt.

PFF is the very definition of lazy (for fans).

Originally posted by NCommand:
Are you a SME in OL/DL analysis? Who knew!?!

Maybe you can define what "good enough" means in layman's terms for us all.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Yes and no people who do not look at stats have only opinion and not critical thinking. Stats do not tell the whole story however. As mentioned, Warner with a 40 point ranking after a game he played great and he was key in a win.

Who cares what his ranking was? Fred has not played all that well this season. He has 3-4 dropped INT's and has the 3rd highest missed tackles by a linebacker this season. The guy better flip a switch tonight.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Are you a SME in OL/DL analysis? Who knew!?!

Maybe you can define what "good enough" means in layman's terms for us all.

As opposed to parroting other opinions to try and sound smart because I can't formulate my own?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not by SME's when that's ALL they cover. But yes, ESPN, etc. no doubt.

PFF is the very definition of lazy (for fans).

So where do all our guys rank in Thorns rankings right now after a 1/4 of season? Be specific

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Yes and no people who do not look at stats have only opinion and not critical thinking. Stats do not tell the whole story however. As mentioned, Warner with a 40 point ranking after a game he played great and he was key in a win.

Who cares what his ranking was? Fred has not played all that well this season. He has 3-4 dropped INT's and has the 3rd highest missed tackles by a linebacker this season. The guy better flip a switch tonight.

His Ranking after the Steelers game. I would take him all day long, he may not be having his best year but still way better than what others have for a MLB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Yes and no people who do not look at stats have only opinion and not critical thinking. Stats do not tell the whole story however. As mentioned, Warner with a 40 point ranking after a game he played great and he was key in a win.

Who cares what his ranking was? Fred has not played all that well this season. He has 3-4 dropped INT's and has the 3rd highest missed tackles by a linebacker this season. The guy better flip a switch tonight.

His Ranking after the Steelers game. I would take him all day long, he may not be having his best year but still way better than what others have for a MLB.

Why do you get so bent out of shape over a ranking? We all know how good Fred Warner is. But he didn't have a good game against the steelers. He had 2 missed tackles and allowed 6 catches on 8 targets at a rate of 11.3 yards per reception. Now, can we get back on track since this is the o line thread?

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Grades and rankings are for lazy people that don't want to do the work but still want to seem like they know what they are talking about.

Well said

Yes and no people who do not look at stats have only opinion and not critical thinking. Stats do not tell the whole story however. As mentioned, Warner with a 40 point ranking after a game he played great and he was key in a win.

Who cares what his ranking was? Fred has not played all that well this season. He has 3-4 dropped INT's and has the 3rd highest missed tackles by a linebacker this season. The guy better flip a switch tonight.

His Ranking after the Steelers game. I would take him all day long, he may not be having his best year but still way better than what others have for a MLB.

Why do you get so bent out of shape over a ranking? We all know how good Fred Warner is. But he didn't have a good game against the steelers. He had 2 missed tackles and allowed 6 catches on 8 targets at a rate of 11.3 yards per reception. Now, can we get back on track since this is the o line thread?

I'm not bent just a point of not trusting stats alone. That Stats and seeing what a player did or did not do. Warner had a bad PFF ranking after the steelers game however watching his play was much better than just the game stats. No issue with the point of Warner not having his best season so far in 2023. I agree he needs to have a great game tonight, we need him at his best.