49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If it was this one-sided, PM, TB and a host of others wouldn't have lost because they still played as well as they could.

You need both. Hopefully that's B/W enough for you.

And if it was so necessary to have both Joe Burrow wouldn't have been one play away from winning.

Still horseshoes.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Didn't happen. This ain't horseshoes.

But perhaps this is the year you claim becomes a reality. If so, we'll be able to adjust the parameters.

Best odds: Tier 1 QB + Tier 2 (higher end)+ = best formula to win it all

And here comes the backpedal like clockwork.

I can't help you with comprehension even with such a simple topic.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
On paper this an above average OL that has been been playing very well. Proof again that scheme + QB elevates the OL

Cowboys have an elite OL and looked average tonight.

Cowboys do not have an elite line. LOL. They actually are average. But TBF, our DL can make quite a few OL's look below average.

Lmao. Everyone has Dallas as a top 5 OL. They have 3 pro bowl / all pros on their OL.

Here's NC thinking again that you need 5 all pros on OL

Not even close. Maybe in the 90's. They also haven't been healthy for over 2 years. Yesterday's game was the first time the original group started together in over 2 years. And their C instantly goes down in the game. LOL.

Where do you weirdos come up this "need 5 all pros" thing!

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

I can keep going on.

And we come up with the 5 all pros needed based on your posts. How we need to draft 1st round OL constantly and spend in FA. If we would've only gotten Orlando Brown 😂

All good man, you're wrong. Once a while it's okay to admit it.

Haha. I wouldn't call any of those reputable OL SME's but you do you. No worries.

I'll continue to reference Trench Warefare and BT.

Haha. Admit I was wrong? Do you not remember the Trent Baalke era???

That's just the first 3 sites that came up. I promise you 99% of the sites have them as a top OL group.

Problem is there just isn't such thing as an elite OL anymore that can dominate almost every week. You need scheme + QB if you want a good OL and also be able to run the ball to keep teams from just attacking the QB.

Thankfully this FO hasn't been dumb enough to sacrifice other positions and pay high salaries to OL and draft high constantly otherwise we wouldn't have the best roster overall.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
3.4 seconds to pass with the balls to actually throw it downfield? Absolutely

Person wasn't on the team in 21 so he isn't relevant.

Lol nor was garland. Funny because that game right down to the wire and they were a dropped INT from winning it. But somehow I guess that was not a winnable game due to the OL. Shocking

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Tell me which stats specifically that I have used that have lacked context?

I edited again,...lol. Please go back and reread so we don't have to drag this out. But I've given context (examples) as to why you cant take a number and judge how well a player played. I also told you the true purpose of the #'s you are using (cumulative,...not "single game"). Well,... I left out making money for those that choose to overexaggerate and pay subscriptions for them all year when they really dont understand numbers all that much.

Not saying to not talk about single game stats or ratings but let's once and for all put them into perspective.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
On paper this an above average OL that has been been playing very well. Proof again that scheme + QB elevates the OL

Cowboys have an elite OL and looked average tonight.

Cowboys do not have an elite line. LOL. They actually are average. But TBF, our DL can make quite a few OL's look below average.

Lmao. Everyone has Dallas as a top 5 OL. They have 3 pro bowl / all pros on their OL.

Here's NC thinking again that you need 5 all pros on OL

Not even close. Maybe in the 90's. They also haven't been healthy for over 2 years. Yesterday's game was the first time the original group started together in over 2 years. And their C instantly goes down in the game. LOL.

Where do you weirdos come up this "need 5 all pros" thing!

https://www.lineups.com/articles/nfl-offensive-line-rankings

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

I can keep going on.

And we come up with the 5 all pros needed based on your posts. How we need to draft 1st round OL constantly and spend in FA. If we would've only gotten Orlando Brown 😂

All good man, you're wrong. Once a while it's okay to admit it.

Haha. I wouldn't call any of those reputable OL SME's but you do you. No worries.

I'll continue to reference Trench Warefare and BT.

Haha. Admit I was wrong? Do you not remember the Trent Baalke era???

That's just the first 3 sites that came up. I promise you 99% of the sites have them as a top OL group.

Problem is there just isn't such thing as an elite OL anymore that can dominate almost every week. You need scheme + QB if you want a good OL and also be able to run the ball to keep teams from just attacking the QB.

Thankfully this FO hasn't been dumb enough to sacrifice other positions and pay high salaries to OL and draft high constantly otherwise we wouldn't have the best roster overall.

If they were elite, they'd easily be ranked in tier 1 by the SME's. And how can any reputable site rank them elite when they haven't been on the field together once in over two years? That's not to say IF they all were healthy and rolling, they do have elite talent and ability. It just hasn't been a reality in a number of years.

There is. They're in tier 1. Not many though. I haven't seen more than 2 in that tier 1 in a single year.

I wouldn't praise that approach yet given unit pass protection CLEARLY has been a big reason they haven't won #6 after 7 years of team control.

Hopefully this is the year though.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
3.4 seconds to pass with the balls to actually throw it downfield? Absolutely

Person wasn't on the team in 21 so he isn't relevant.

Lol nor was garland. Funny because that game right down to the wire and they were a dropped INT from winning it. But somehow I guess that was not a winnable game due to the OL. Shocking

Pick any year you want. Those were the starters. LOL

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Tell me which stats specifically that I have used that have lacked context?

I edited again,...lol. Please go back and reread so we don't have to drag this out. But I've given context (examples) as to why you cant take a number and judge how well a player played. I also told you the true purpose of the #'s you are using (cumulative,...not "single game." Well,... I left out making money for those that choose to overexaggerate and pay subscriptions for them all year when they really dont understand numbers all that much.

Not saying to not talk about single game stats or ratings but let's once and for all put them into perspective.

There is nothing to drag out. You have your opinion and nothing else. I have verifiable data to back up my opinion. Case closed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I can't help you with comprehension even with such a simple topic.

This is the first time in your life you have posted you don't need a tier 1 OL. It's clearly a backpedal.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they were elite, they'd easily be ranked in tier 1 by the SME's. And how can any reputable site rank them elite when they haven't been on the field together once in over two years? That's not to say IF they all were healthy and rolling, they do have elite talent and ability. It just hasn't been a reality in a number of years.

There is. They're in tier 1. Not many though. I haven't seen more than 2 in that tier 1 in a single year.

I wouldn't praise that approach yet given unit pass protection CLEARLY has been a big reason they haven't won #6 after 7 years of team control.

Hopefully this is the year though.

I can think of a couple bigger reasons.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I can't help you with comprehension even with such a simple topic.

This is the first time in your life you have posted you don't need a tier 1 OL. It's clearly a backpedal.

Mine is based on reality. I said I'd happily join you in your theory that you don't need a tier 1 OL, but a tier 2 + tier 1 QB once it actually happens. And I'm sure it will someday. In fact, it plausible.

But until then, stick to the higher probability and proven formula.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they were elite, they'd easily be ranked in tier 1 by the SME's. And how can any reputable site rank them elite when they haven't been on the field together once in over two years? That's not to say IF they all were healthy and rolling, they do have elite talent and ability. It just hasn't been a reality in a number of years.

There is. They're in tier 1. Not many though. I haven't seen more than 2 in that tier 1 in a single year.

I wouldn't praise that approach yet given unit pass protection CLEARLY has been a big reason they haven't won #6 after 7 years of team control.

Hopefully this is the year though.

I can think of a couple bigger reasons.

And that's perfectly fine. No issues if you believe other areas carried more weight as long as you recognize they ALL contributed to the loss and were on the higher end of the fault-spectrum.

I'll say despite the injury to Banks, Feliciano held his own against a good Dallas D-Line, credit to him, and the 49ers for bringing him in.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they were elite, they'd easily be ranked in tier 1 by the SME's. And how can any reputable site rank them elite when they haven't been on the field together once in over two years? That's not to say IF they all were healthy and rolling, they do have elite talent and ability. It just hasn't been a reality in a number of years.

There is. They're in tier 1. Not many though. I haven't seen more than 2 in that tier 1 in a single year.

I wouldn't praise that approach yet given unit pass protection CLEARLY has been a big reason they haven't won #6 after 7 years of team control.

Hopefully this is the year though.

I can think of a couple bigger reasons.

It's crazy that people still don't see the difference between Jimmy and Purdy. The reason was freaking QB. If we had Purdy during these last 5-6 years we would've definitely won at least one SB.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'll say despite the injury to Banks, Feliciano held his own against a good Dallas D-Line, credit to him, and the 49ers for bringing him in.

Agree, and the only thing I don't like is that these one year rentals (if they are any good) the bottom feeding teams throw money at them and poach them from our team after one year.

At least Zakelj and Moore are stuck with the 49ers till their rookie contracts expire.