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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Giedi:
They were pretty good in the run game though. That makes a difference if you have a 2nd or 3rd tier QB that can pass OK. As long as the QB doesn't hurt you with turnovers and you have a dominant ground attack - your OLine and your RB will win you some games despite having a Trent Dilfer or Nick Foles as your QB. Then you have that legendary 2000 Raven's defense that (I think) had +23 net turnovers and was ranked number 1 in the turnover ratio department, and you have a legit playoff team right there.

Point being, that you have to have a good OLine to win a lot of games. Nowadays, with the pass happy NFL, that translates to a good *pass blocking* offensive line team to win a lot of games. The run game is still important, but the pass blocking is key nowadays with the new CTE rules.

No one suggest you don't need a good o line. 9ers have had good o lines. They just weren't good enough to make up for tier 7 playoff qb play.

Disagree, Jimmy is a playoff QB (three NFC championship appearances and a super bowl appearance). That 2019 49er OLine was undertalented with the loss of Richburg, and on top of that the matchup with Person and Chris Jones was like matching up Bosa against undersized Dan Audick. Person retired after that game, I think, and is out of football now. That matchup of Chris Jones vs Person was terrible. It doesn't help when your QB is immobile like Jimmy who can't get away from middle pressure if his life depended on it. If we had Richburg at center, we'd have Brunskill at Guard, and I think he'd have done a better job with Chris Jones - Maybe - versus Person.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Giedi:
They were pretty good in the run game though. That makes a difference if you have a 2nd or 3rd tier QB that can pass OK. As long as the QB doesn't hurt you with turnovers and you have a dominant ground attack - your OLine and your RB will win you some games despite having a Trent Dilfer or Nick Foles as your QB. Then you have that legendary 2000 Raven's defense that (I think) had +23 net turnovers and was ranked number 1 in the turnover ratio department, and you have a legit playoff team right there.

Point being, that you have to have a good OLine to win a lot of games. Nowadays, with the pass happy NFL, that translates to a good *pass blocking* offensive line team to win a lot of games. The run game is still important, but the pass blocking is key nowadays with the new CTE rules.

No one suggest you don't need a good o line. 9ers have had good o lines. They just weren't good enough to make up for tier 7 playoff qb play.

Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

McGlinchy was bad in pass protection, Person couldn't handle strong penetrating DT's, and McKivitz is better than Compton in both run and pass blocking. Both Person and Garland are out of football.

I still think the big mistake that Kyle made was not bolstering that interior line with bigger and stronger guys that can prevent middle pressure to help his immobile QB in Jimmy. With Brock, he can get away with lesser interior linemen because of Brock's mobility. But if Kyle wants Brock to have a long career - he better invest in that OLine group with some significant draft capital (at minimum to deal with Trent William's age). Ideally, Kyle should have good depth and talent for all positions on that OLine.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Disagree, Jimmy is a playoff QB (three NFC championship appearances and a super bowl appearance). That 2019 49er OLine was undertalented with the loss of Richburg, and on top of that the matchup with Person and Chris Jones was like matching up Bosa against undersized Dan Audick. Person retired after that game, I think, and is out of football now. That matchup of Chris Jones vs Person was terrible. It doesn't help when your QB is immobile like Jimmy who can't get away from middle pressure if his life depended on it. If we had Richburg at center, we'd have Brunskill at Guard, and I think he'd have done a better job with Chris Jones - Maybe - versus Person.

It's not the just pressure. He can't read the defense so when 1st read isn't there it was over. The difference is so striking on what this offense can look like with a guy running it properly.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Disagree, Jimmy is a playoff QB (three NFC championship appearances and a super bowl appearance). That 2019 49er OLine was undertalented with the loss of Richburg, and on top of that the matchup with Person and Chris Jones was like matching up Bosa against undersized Dan Audick. Person retired after that game, I think, and is out of football now. That matchup of Chris Jones vs Person was terrible. It doesn't help when your QB is immobile like Jimmy who can't get away from middle pressure if his life depended on it. If we had Richburg at center, we'd have Brunskill at Guard, and I think he'd have done a better job with Chris Jones - Maybe - versus Person.

It's not the just pressure. He can't read the defense so when 1st read isn't there it was over. The difference is so striking on what this offense can look like with a guy running it properly.

When Jimmy has time in the pocket, just like any other QB, he's a good QB. He's not a *generational talent* like Brock, for sure. But give him time, and he can win games like Nick Foley and Trent Dilfer. Kyle gives all his QB's a great run game to lean on when they are having problems passing. They did that for Jimmy in the Vikings game, for example. So he can win the big games - from a talent perspective. The problem for Jimmy is he's just not mobile. On top of that, he's injury prone. That's two strikes on him when facing elite QB's and elite defenses. Jimmy's not had any problems reaching the playoffs when he's healthy.

As for the Offensive Line, again, pressure up the middle will destroy offenses with immobile QB's. Jimmy is one of the most immobile QB's there is, especially after his knee injury. QB's that know they can't get away from middle pressure tend to panic in those situations.
MAJOR Kudos to our OLine coaches for a fantastic blocking assignments package!
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
well one thing, the main thing that you started all this riff raff has been settled, is that the QB does transcend the OL
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
well one thing, the main thing that you started all this riff raff has been settled, is that the QB does transcend the OL

Hey NC remember you wanted us to keep Laken, I did too, but glad we didn't, Banks is so much better, as is Feliciano. But I agree with all time here, QB transcends the OL, Purdy is so good, but we really do IMO have a top tier OL, they're gelling big time, McKivitz looks good at RT, for a fraction of what McGlinchey got.
Originally posted by Giedi:
When Jimmy has time in the pocket, just like any other QB, he's a good QB. He's not a *generational talent* like Brock, for sure. But give him time, and he can win games like Nick Foley and Trent Dilfer. Kyle gives all his QB's a great run game to lean on when they are having problems passing. They did that for Jimmy in the Vikings game, for example. So he can win the big games - from a talent perspective. The problem for Jimmy is he's just not mobile. On top of that, he's injury prone. That's two strikes on him when facing elite QB's and elite defenses. Jimmy's not had any problems reaching the playoffs when he's healthy.

As for the Offensive Line, again, pressure up the middle will destroy offenses with immobile QB's. Jimmy is one of the most immobile QB's there is, especially after his knee injury. QB's that know they can't get away from middle pressure tend to panic in those situations.

He's average
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
well one thing, the main thing that you started all this riff raff has been settled, is that the QB does transcend the OL

Hey NC remember you wanted us to keep Laken, I did too, but glad we didn't, Banks is so much better, as is Feliciano. But I agree with all time here, QB transcends the OL, Purdy is so good, but we really do IMO have a top tier OL, they're gelling big time, McKivitz looks good at RT, for a fraction of what McGlinchey got.

I think it goes both ways. A top OLine will help QB's like Trent Dilfer and Foles to elevate their games too. Same with Jimmy when he was healthy and the OLine was healthy.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
well one thing, the main thing that you started all this riff raff has been settled, is that the QB does transcend the OL

Hey NC remember you wanted us to keep Laken, I did too, but glad we didn't, Banks is so much better, as is Feliciano. But I agree with all time here, QB transcends the OL, Purdy is so good, but we really do IMO have a top tier OL, they're gelling big time, McKivitz looks good at RT, for a fraction of what McGlinchey got.

I think it goes both ways. A top OLine will help QB's like Trent Dilfer and Foles to elevate their games too. Same with Jimmy when he was healthy and the OLine was healthy.
not really, even the best OL can't win the games for mediocre QBs. Dilfer had one of the best defenses all time. Jimmy choked when he had time in big games
Originally posted by NCommand:
Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL

Well yah Pat proved that in January.
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think it goes both ways. A top OLine will help QB's like Trent Dilfer and Foles to elevate their games too. Same with Jimmy when he was healthy and the OLine was healthy.

Well obviously a QB will do better when given time then when pressured. That doesn't mean they are elevating their games. Give Jimmy the Cowboys o line in the 90s and he'd be the same guy
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Seriously. Look at all these studs!

Tomlinson, Garland, Person, Compton and big-game McGlinchey!

LOL.

They were "good" at run blocking though.

Would've been plenty for Brock

Or Patrick Mahomes. LOL
well one thing, the main thing that you started all this riff raff has been settled, is that the QB does transcend the OL

Hey NC remember you wanted us to keep Laken, I did too, but glad we didn't, Banks is so much better, as is Feliciano. But I agree with all time here, QB transcends the OL, Purdy is so good, but we really do IMO have a top tier OL, they're gelling big time, McKivitz looks good at RT, for a fraction of what McGlinchey got.

I think it goes both ways. A top OLine will help QB's like Trent Dilfer and Foles to elevate their games too. Same with Jimmy when he was healthy and the OLine was healthy.
not really, even the best OL can't win the games for mediocre QBs. Dilfer had one of the best defenses all time. Jimmy choked when he had time in big games

Yes they can if they have a good running back and the OLine is elite. That will elevate the QB's performance.
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