49ers Offensive Line

Pass protection might need some work.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, hiring Wilks, and drafting Jaire are good data points that Kyle's somewhat tweaked his draft and philosophical priorities. In other words, Kyle may be finally rebalancing the defense to have much better personnel at the back end. Still not at the level of priority of the defensive line, but hopefully making a more concerted effort to get more talent on the back end. I'm impressed with Wilks and his coaching up of Deommodore and Ambry. My hope is we can retain him for more than two years. Hope hope.

Drated Brown in the late 3rd. That's a far cry from using a 1st or 2nd on a guy like they have done for the OL.

Well, they usually reserve the first pick in their drafts for mostly DLinemen. I would think that if they stayed with their old philosophy, that 3rd round pick would be a DLineman or a Defensive tackle. Instead they picked a safety. I think that indicates a change. Not a big change, granted, but considering the hiring of Wilks vs Fangio, I think both data points indicated some sort of change.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, PM was so exposed behind a tier 1 OL who had given up the least sacks in the league (yes, he's a big help there too).

BUT they were exposed. We all saw it. If the 9ers rank as a tier one OL at end of year but play like that this postseason you will spend all offseason talking about it. But with the Chiefs you pretend it didn't happen and point to one dudes ranking at end of year as if that mattered in the playoffs.

There's a standard for the 9ers and a standard for 31 other teams.

You can explain it until you're blue in the face, provide all the evidence one would need to win in the court of law. NC will never ever admit to it when he is wrong. You might as well just put him on mute.

LOL. I just showed you both court of evidence. Same exact results.

You need both. Until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

All trench measures from PFF and ESPN

The Eagles just might have good offensive & defensive lines pic.twitter.com/iDSpVoaENa

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) October 10, 2023

Pass protection might need some work.

Personally, the Dallas games showed to me that the 49ers pass protection is decent to good. The stats from PFF and ESPN usually are averages, and the TJ Watt's 3 sacks may be weighing down the 49er pass protection stats, as well as the NY Giant's 80+% zero blitzing. Point being, it's 🏹🏹🏹 up for the 49ers OLine pass protection, if you weigh the Dallas game a bit more than the rest of the games played by the 49ers.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You can explain it until you're blue in the face, provide all the evidence one would need to win in the court of law. NC will never ever admit to it when he is wrong. You might as well just put him on mute.

Yup. no use in trying to debate someone who does nothing but argue in bad faith

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. I just showed you both court of evidence. Same exact results.

You need both. Until proven otherwise.

9ers have to protect like tier 1 in regular season and playoffs. Other teams do not. They get mulligans.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not really. The standard is only lower with about 5 fans in here. And as to Trench Warfare, had SF been tier 1 (going into the playoffs), they would have been ranked that accordingly bumped up against all NFL teams.

Like I just showed, YOU have 1 standard for 2 QB's who played behind equal "average at best" OL's. And the results were exactly the same.

You need both.

Except the 9ers o line didn't perform nearly as poorly in the Sb as the Chiefs did. Again you spin it like if you aren't elite you are trash. Tier 2 thru 7 is all the same.

On no planet was the 9ers o line in any sb or championship game the same as the SB vs Bucs. Just factually false. Performances weren't remotely the same.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not really. The standard is only lower with about 5 fans in here. And as to Trench Warfare, had SF been tier 1 (going into the playoffs), they would have been ranked that accordingly bumped up against all NFL teams.

Like I just showed, YOU have 1 standard for 2 QB's who played behind equal "average at best" OL's. And the results were exactly the same.

You need both.

Except the 9ers o line didn't perform nearly as poorly in the Sb as the Chiefs did. Again you spin it like if you aren't elite you are trash. Tier 2 thru 7 is all the same.

On no planet was the 9ers o line in any sb or championship game the same as the SB vs Bucs. Just factually false. Performances weren't remotely the same.

Exactly my point to date. Both ended exactly the same even with a tier 1 QB.

And isn't that the whole point?

In your head, one was a tier 7 so they lost 31-7. The other was a tier 3 and lost 31-20.

Thanks for proving my point.

And when a tier 1 QB wins with a tier 2-7 OL, we'll start including that going forward.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

All trench measures from PFF and ESPN

The Eagles just might have good offensive & defensive lines pic.twitter.com/iDSpVoaENa

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) October 10, 2023

Pass protection might need some work.

Ha. That's one way of looking at it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly my point to date. Both ended exactly the same even with a tier 1 QB.

And isn't that the whole point?

In your head, one was a tier 7 so they lost 31-7. The other was a tier 3 and lost 31-20.

Thanks for proving my point.

And when a tier 1 QB wins with a tier 2-7 OL, we'll start including that going forward.

An absolutely abysmal point like usual.

One ruined their teams chances to win. The other gave their team a chance but the even worse play by other groups on the team torpedoed things.

There's no we here. It's just a you.

That's the same way you play Hassan Reddick. Mash him. Just like Michah Parsons. Run right at him and smash him into the ground. All day long. The legs get tired and they lose their will to play later in the game. Don't just let him tee off and pass rush like they did last year. Dude is a little guy for a DE. Both of them. But more so Reddick. He's 6'1" 230 lbs. Reddick that is. Bulldoze him all day long. Hope they learned something. That's how you handle Parsons and Reddick. Aggressively attack and maul them in the run game. Don't just let them run full speed around the corner pass rushing you.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. I just showed you both court of evidence. Same exact results.

You need both. Until proven otherwise.

You need a complete team.

The repetitive cliches aren't moving any needles.

0 zero sacks given up by the OL against the best defense in the NFL

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Originally posted by 49ersRing:

All trench measures from PFF and ESPN

The Eagles just might have good offensive & defensive lines pic.twitter.com/iDSpVoaENa

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) October 10, 2023

Pass protection might need some work.

Vikings have an OL that good and still are awful? Surprising.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Vikings have an OL that good and still are awful? Surprising.

OL doesn't transcend the QB, like NC says it does