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Oct 11, 2023 at 12:51 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Nah, let's just listen to All, YAC, Hoov, 9ers4eva and Gore as SME's instead.

The arrogance.

No arrogance needed to know the team that played on Sunday can win the Superbowl. I don't need Bramdon Thorn to tell me so.
dont need BT to know with a different QB in 19, 21 we win two Ships
Oct 11, 2023 at 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't keep up with all the new acronyms or slang terms. I'm just not that hip. If NC stated what the acronym stood for, I currently have him on mute so I wouldn't be able to see it.

Lol. It stand for subject matter expert, but he's very particular on who he actually considers a true SME. Must align with him since he's the real SME

Sounds about NC

Thoughts?


I thought McKivitz nearly got beat on that play. Brock got off the pass, but McKivitz did enough to give Brock the time he needed. McKivitz got thrown off at the top of 90's pass rush. Holy smokes #90 (just looked it up) was Demarcus Lawrence. wow. McKivitz did a lot better than I credit him for.
i wonder what are the thoughts from NC.. since 2020 it's we don't care about OL, have the worse OL, don't invest in OL, don't have OL plans, need a #1 OL, need #1 talent OL at every position, need Tier 1 OL , need Tiers x + Tier x, lets see how we do this sunday.. i heard it all.. and now his favorite SME is drooling over us.. i wonder what NC thinks now
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:12 PM
Originally posted by frenchmov:

Gee what a surprise

Are you trying to say some QB's escape pressure better than others?

Incredible!
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't keep up with all the new acronyms or slang terms. I'm just not that hip. If NC stated what the acronym stood for, I currently have him on mute so I wouldn't be able to see it.

Lol. It stand for subject matter expert, but he's very particular on who he actually considers a true SME. Must align with him since he's the real SME

Sounds about NC

Thoughts?


I thought McKivitz nearly got beat on that play. Brock got off the pass, but McKivitz did enough to give Brock the time he needed. McKivitz got thrown off at the top of 90's pass rush. Holy smokes #90 (just looked it up) was Demarcus Lawrence. wow. McKivitz did a lot better than I credit him for.
i wonder what are the thoughts from NC.. since 2020 it's we don't care about OL, have the worse OL, don't invest in OL, don't have OL plans, need a #1 OL, need #1 talent OL at every position, need Tier 1 OL , need Tiers x + Tier x, lets see how we do this sunday.. i heard it all.. and now his favorite SME is drooling over us.. i wonder what NC thinks now

Well, if you could read, you'd see I think they've played really well and climbing the ladder towards a tier 1 OL esp. in run blocking (already there). They still need some more fine tuning in the pass protection game but still above average (even though PFF and ESPN disagrees and has them much lower). And PFF's peer rankings are brutal for this group.

Do you have any thoughts?
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 11, 2023 at 1:16 PM ]
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:20 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't keep up with all the new acronyms or slang terms. I'm just not that hip. If NC stated what the acronym stood for, I currently have him on mute so I wouldn't be able to see it.

Lol. It stand for subject matter expert, but he's very particular on who he actually considers a true SME. Must align with him since he's the real SME

Sounds about NC

Thoughts?


I thought McKivitz nearly got beat on that play. Brock got off the pass, but McKivitz did enough to give Brock the time he needed. McKivitz got thrown off at the top of 90's pass rush. Holy smokes #90 (just looked it up) was Demarcus Lawrence. wow. McKivitz did a lot better than I credit him for.
i wonder what are the thoughts from NC.. since 2020 it's we don't care about OL, have the worse OL, don't invest in OL, don't have OL plans, need a #1 OL, need #1 talent OL at every position, need Tier 1 OL , need Tiers x + Tier x, lets see how we do this sunday.. i heard it all.. and now his favorite SME is drooling over us.. i wonder what NC thinks now

Well, if you could read, you'd see I think they've played really well and climbing the ladder towards a tier 1 OL esp. in run blocking (already there). They still need some more fine tuning in the pass protection game but still above average (even though PFF and ESPN disagrees and has them much lower). And PFF's peer rankings are brutal for this group.

Do you have any thoughts?
moving up to tier 1, thats impossible in your eyes unless BT tells you to follow

my thoughts are the same as before the 2022 season, "we will finish towards the top OL after one year and battle for being the top OL this year"
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Oct 11, 2023 at 1:26 PM ]
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:25 PM
Originally posted by frenchmov:

Gee what a surprise

Its like Pat Mahomes gets mediocre OTs paid or something
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Its like Pat Mahomes gets mediocre OTs paid or something
it's all good pressure
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
dont need BT to know with a different QB in 19, 21 we win two Ships

Clearly a guy who will likely lead the NFL in ints this season wasn't the issue. Was the O line.
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:27 PM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't keep up with all the new acronyms or slang terms. I'm just not that hip. If NC stated what the acronym stood for, I currently have him on mute so I wouldn't be able to see it.

Lol. It stand for subject matter expert, but he's very particular on who he actually considers a true SME. Must align with him since he's the real SME

Sounds about NC

Thoughts?


I thought McKivitz nearly got beat on that play. Brock got off the pass, but McKivitz did enough to give Brock the time he needed. McKivitz got thrown off at the top of 90's pass rush. Holy smokes #90 (just looked it up) was Demarcus Lawrence. wow. McKivitz did a lot better than I credit him for.
i wonder what are the thoughts from NC.. since 2020 it's we don't care about OL, have the worse OL, don't invest in OL, don't have OL plans, need a #1 OL, need #1 talent OL at every position, need Tier 1 OL , need Tiers x + Tier x, lets see how we do this sunday.. i heard it all.. and now his favorite SME is drooling over us.. i wonder what NC thinks now

I can't read minds - specially NC's for sure. But, with an immobile QB like Jimmy - you have to have a different kind of OLine vs a Mobile QB. Got to protect Jimmy from up the middle pressure from the likes of Hargrave and Chris Jones. In other words, you may need to have much stronger interior linemen that can hold the pocket longer than more mobile QB's. So in that sense, ShanaLynch didn't do enough. Person vs Chris Jones is just not a good matchup.

I personally think (this year) the 49er OLine is improving, and have surprising depth. John Feliciano did surprisingly well vs Dallas. I didn't expect that. The problem I have with guys like John and Matt Pryor, is they are one year rentals. We'll not be able to keep them if we reach the playoffs. Unlike Zakelj and Moore who are stuck with us for the duration of their rookie contracts (3+ years) or more. Brunskill really improved under Foerster, but we couldn't keep him. I'm sure Feliciano and Pryor will be priced out of our range this offseason and hopefully we'll replace them with drafted OLinemen that will have a much longer stay with us - who are just as - or more talented than who they will replace.
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
I can't read minds - specially NC's for sure. But, with an immobile QB like Jimmy - you have to have a different kind of OLine vs a Mobile QB.

So go and be ready to get 5 different guys for 1 guy that'll never sniff the HOF or an MVP trophy or anything like that. No. You just need a different QB. Kyle knew that at a certain point and here we are.
[ Edited by random49er on Oct 11, 2023 at 1:32 PM ]
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:32 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't keep up with all the new acronyms or slang terms. I'm just not that hip. If NC stated what the acronym stood for, I currently have him on mute so I wouldn't be able to see it.

Lol. It stand for subject matter expert, but he's very particular on who he actually considers a true SME. Must align with him since he's the real SME

Sounds about NC

Thoughts?


I thought McKivitz nearly got beat on that play. Brock got off the pass, but McKivitz did enough to give Brock the time he needed. McKivitz got thrown off at the top of 90's pass rush. Holy smokes #90 (just looked it up) was Demarcus Lawrence. wow. McKivitz did a lot better than I credit him for.
i wonder what are the thoughts from NC.. since 2020 it's we don't care about OL, have the worse OL, don't invest in OL, don't have OL plans, need a #1 OL, need #1 talent OL at every position, need Tier 1 OL , need Tiers x + Tier x, lets see how we do this sunday.. i heard it all.. and now his favorite SME is drooling over us.. i wonder what NC thinks now

Well, if you could read, you'd see I think they've played really well and climbing the ladder towards a tier 1 OL esp. in run blocking (already there). They still need some more fine tuning in the pass protection game but still above average (even though PFF and ESPN disagrees and has them much lower). And PFF's peer rankings are brutal for this group.

Do you have any thoughts?
moving up to tier 1, thats impossible in your eyes unless BT tells you to follow

my thoughts are the same as before the 2022 season, "we will finish towards the top OL after one year and battle for being the top OL this year"

For sure the 49er OLine, after shellacking Dallas and their top of the line Defensive Line, is 🏹🏹🏹 up. Next OLIne test is this supposed top of the line Browns defense. If McKivitz holds up, that goes a long way for me to consider the 49er OLine in the top quartile and well on the way to elite status. Hope Banks can recover sooner rather than later so we can see him either in the Browns game or the game after. Burford and McKivitz have improved, I think, their coordination and communication.
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by frenchmov:

Gee what a surprise

Its like Pat Mahomes gets mediocre OTs paid or something

I just wonder how they even come up with these kinds of stats.
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:35 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
I can't read minds - specially NC's for sure. But, with an immobile QB like Jimmy - you have to have a different kind of OLine vs a Mobile QB. Got to protect Jimmy from up the middle pressure from the likes of Hargrave and Chris Jones. In other words, you may need to have much stronger interior linemen that can hold the pocket longer than more mobile QB's. So in that sense, ShanaLynch didn't do enough. Person vs Chris Jones is just not a good matchup.

I personally think (this year) the 49er OLine is improving, and have surprising depth. John Feliciano did surprisingly well vs Dallas. I didn't expect that. The problem I have with guys like John and Matt Pryor, is they are one year rentals. We'll not be able to keep them if we reach the playoffs. Unlike Zakelj and Moore who are stuck with us for the duration of their rookie contracts (3+ years) or more. Brunskill really improved under Foerster, but we couldn't keep him. I'm sure Feliciano and Pryor will be priced out of our range this offseason and hopefully we'll replace them with drafted OLinemen that will have a much longer stay with us - who are just as - or more talented than who they will replace.
that is just not the right thing to do, sacrifice skill positions to load up on OL to hide bad QB play. The QB needs to earn his money

By us not hiding the QB with overpaid OL, lets us have the offense we are seeing now
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Oct 11, 2023 at 1:38 PM ]
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:43 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by frenchmov:

Gee what a surprise

Its like Pat Mahomes gets mediocre OTs paid or something

I just wonder how they even come up with these kinds of stats.

It would just be a hell of a lot easier to look at PFF's pressure responsibility distribution chart that I was posting in here last week.
Oct 11, 2023 at 1:48 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I can't read minds - specially NC's for sure. But, with an immobile QB like Jimmy - you have to have a different kind of OLine vs a Mobile QB. Got to protect Jimmy from up the middle pressure from the likes of Hargrave and Chris Jones. In other words, you may need to have much stronger interior linemen that can hold the pocket longer than more mobile QB's. So in that sense, ShanaLynch didn't do enough. Person vs Chris Jones is just not a good matchup.

I personally think (this year) the 49er OLine is improving, and have surprising depth. John Feliciano did surprisingly well vs Dallas. I didn't expect that. The problem I have with guys like John and Matt Pryor, is they are one year rentals. We'll not be able to keep them if we reach the playoffs. Unlike Zakelj and Moore who are stuck with us for the duration of their rookie contracts (3+ years) or more. Brunskill really improved under Foerster, but we couldn't keep him. I'm sure Feliciano and Pryor will be priced out of our range this offseason and hopefully we'll replace them with drafted OLinemen that will have a much longer stay with us - who are just as - or more talented than who they will replace.
that is just not the right thing to do, sacrifice skill positions to load up on OL to hide bad QB play. The QB needs to earn his money

By us not hiding the QB with overpaid OL, lets us have the offense we are seeing now

Well, Jimmy's durability - *in addition* to his atrocious mobility, will require elite draft capital to protect him, for sure. You would need elite players at every OLine position for that, which - in this day and age - is (as you said) a cap impossibility. Who knew that Jimmy was not very durable, and after his unexpected knee injury, his limited mobility just got even worse.

Having said that, I don't think having *some* depth and talent via draft wouldn't have helped in 2019. Especially having a guy like Person facing off against Chris Jones (as an example). Colton McKivitz was a fifth round pick, and he's *much better* than McGlinchy (a first round pick) for example. I can see a scenario where they trade down a couple of spots and get a extra 4th or 5th round pick in the 2018 or 2019 draft to bolster some OLine depth, as an example of how you don't blow your entire draft capital on a bad OLine pick like McGlinchy. (agree that this is all hindsight though).
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