49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
You mean in the NFCCG... when it matters that we need to beat another higher ranked team. Let's see what happens....

Then I guess the only good coach right now is Andy Reid who took over a decade to win it all

Extreme view again... No Kyle is a good coach. It's when the offense stalls he needs to try different schemes to open up what he wants to do primarily.

We have the players and the coach we just need Kyle to adapt when things aren't working. You know in game adjustments.

I totally agree with this. And we have that talent to turn on a dime my opinion, based on what the defense is giving/taking away or the weaknesses a team has by unit on defense.

My perception of Kyle is he wants to control the game through time of position, positive plays that keep the chains moving, showing defenses looks to set up for other things later, whether it be in game or putting certain looks and running certain plays in situations on film.

It works great usually. But if a team is sold out to stop the run, I think we still should be able to move the chains with Kittle, Juice, and CMC as catchers. We can run so many fakes with Deebo and CMC. There isn't a defense out there in my opinion that can stop all these guys a full 60 minutes.

This is what I was trying to say...if a defense says we are going to take out McCaffrey and Deebo. Then switch to kittle and Ayuik. He does want to control the game but football is just organized Kaos. He needs to change philosophy when things he's trying are not working.

Against most teams he will be able to control the way he wants, but with Philly or another top level team he will have the change what he's doing and adapt to what the D gives us.

Kyle's only major flaw along with losing it with 10 mins to go. Hopefully he will change and we can finally get number 6. We have the team, all stars everywhere. Philly has not had a bad steak yet Hopefully it's coming soon.

It's up to Purdy to make the on field decisions and reads, not Kyle

It is, but plays have to be called with Juice & Kittle as the primary targets, often, and CMC & Deebo as 3rd/4th/5th options.

Yes, when is running to the A gap over and over the defense plays to stop McCaffrey. Then a screen to Deebo which he's caught in the flat. Instead hit kittle in a release over the top to spread out the Defense. Purdy runs the plays Kyle calls.

If they are all to CMC and Deeb, the Defense is set to stop it, then he needs to adapt quickly. Change to open things up with quick reads over the top of the 8 man box. That will pull the safety back to cover the middle giving CMC more lanes. One example and I've seen him do it after a couple of 3 and outs. Against good teams he does not have that luxury to blow a series like that

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
You mean in the NFCCG... when it matters that we need to beat another higher ranked team. Let's see what happens....

Then I guess the only good coach right now is Andy Reid who took over a decade to win it all

Extreme view again... No Kyle is a good coach. It's when the offense stalls he needs to try different schemes to open up what he wants to do primarily.

We have the players and the coach we just need Kyle to adapt when things aren't working. You know in game adjustments.

I totally agree with this. And we have that talent to turn on a dime my opinion, based on what the defense is giving/taking away or the weaknesses a team has by unit on defense.

My perception of Kyle is he wants to control the game through time of position, positive plays that keep the chains moving, showing defenses looks to set up for other things later, whether it be in game or putting certain looks and running certain plays in situations on film.

It works great usually. But if a team is sold out to stop the run, I think we still should be able to move the chains with Kittle, Juice, and CMC as catchers. We can run so many fakes with Deebo and CMC. There isn't a defense out there in my opinion that can stop all these guys a full 60 minutes.

This is what I was trying to say...if a defense says we are going to take out McCaffrey and Deebo. Then switch to kittle and Ayuik. He does want to control the game but football is just organized Kaos. He needs to change philosophy when things he's trying are not working.

Against most teams he will be able to control the way he wants, but with Philly or another top level team he will have the change what he's doing and adapt to what the D gives us.

Kyle's only major flaw along with losing it with 10 mins to go. Hopefully he will change and we can finally get number 6. We have the team, all stars everywhere. Philly has not had a bad steak yet Hopefully it's coming soon.

It's up to Purdy to make the on field decisions and reads, not Kyle

It is, but plays have to be called with Juice & Kittle as the primary targets, often, and CMC & Deebo as 3rd/4th/5th options.

Yes, when is running to the A gap over and over the defense plays to stop McCaffrey. Then a screen to Deebo which he's caught in the flat. Instead hit kittle in a release over the top to spread out the Defense. Purdy runs the plays Kyle calls.

If they are all to CMC and Deeb, the Defense is set to stop it, then he needs to adapt quickly. Change to open things up with quick reads over the top of the 8 man box. That will pull the safety back to cover the middle giving CMC more lanes. One example and I've seen him do it after a couple of 3 and outs. Against good teams he does not have that luxury to blow a series like that

Again, It's up to Purdy.

Purdy is not a one read QB. Each play is set up to make the defense pick their poison. Depending where the Defense goes, Purdy adjusts.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Some are very confused by this. Ha

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-12-2023

yes it's confusing, cause you are using PFF ?

Rankings over results. You got to love it.

yeah lol

I don't believe the 5 pressures. Hurts couldn't do anything because of the pressure and most of his sacks were deemed runs tackle for losses lol

Right? Those PFF rankings are bonkers!

all rankings are bonkers, it's better to go off actual game play and results

So you buy PFF's end result data but not their weekly rankings...which are based off their end results data?

what are you even talking about, in no way did i ever mention to go off of PFF. I don't have access nor look at PFF to get results

Yes you do. Click on the link. All the data fed to you by YAC is PFF. That's what makes this so comical.

All what data, why are you trying to spin it lol

i know why, cause you got caught again using PFF

I post PFF's weekly rankings based on their own stats here every week for you. What is wrong with you? LOL

Ok ok so you love PFF.

I don't need PFF rankings like you do

I like me some good ol fashioned stats and game play

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
You mean in the NFCCG... when it matters that we need to beat another higher ranked team. Let's see what happens....

Then I guess the only good coach right now is Andy Reid who took over a decade to win it all

Extreme view again... No Kyle is a good coach. It's when the offense stalls he needs to try different schemes to open up what he wants to do primarily.

We have the players and the coach we just need Kyle to adapt when things aren't working. You know in game adjustments.

I totally agree with this. And we have that talent to turn on a dime my opinion, based on what the defense is giving/taking away or the weaknesses a team has by unit on defense.

My perception of Kyle is he wants to control the game through time of position, positive plays that keep the chains moving, showing defenses looks to set up for other things later, whether it be in game or putting certain looks and running certain plays in situations on film.

It works great usually. But if a team is sold out to stop the run, I think we still should be able to move the chains with Kittle, Juice, and CMC as catchers. We can run so many fakes with Deebo and CMC. There isn't a defense out there in my opinion that can stop all these guys a full 60 minutes.

This is what I was trying to say...if a defense says we are going to take out McCaffrey and Deebo. Then switch to kittle and Ayuik. He does want to control the game but football is just organized Kaos. He needs to change philosophy when things he's trying are not working.

Against most teams he will be able to control the way he wants, but with Philly or another top level team he will have the change what he's doing and adapt to what the D gives us.

Kyle's only major flaw along with losing it with 10 mins to go. Hopefully he will change and we can finally get number 6. We have the team, all stars everywhere. Philly has not had a bad steak yet Hopefully it's coming soon.

It's up to Purdy to make the on field decisions and reads, not Kyle

It is, but plays have to be called with Juice & Kittle as the primary targets, often, and CMC & Deebo as 3rd/4th/5th options.

Yes, when is running to the A gap over and over the defense plays to stop McCaffrey. Then a screen to Deebo which he's caught in the flat. Instead hit kittle in a release over the top to spread out the Defense. Purdy runs the plays Kyle calls.

If they are all to CMC and Deeb, the Defense is set to stop it, then he needs to adapt quickly. Change to open things up with quick reads over the top of the 8 man box. That will pull the safety back to cover the middle giving CMC more lanes. One example and I've seen him do it after a couple of 3 and outs. Against good teams he does not have that luxury to blow a series like that

Again, It's up to Purdy.

Purdy is not a one read QB. Each play is set up to make the defense pick their poison. Depending where the Defense goes, Purdy adjusts.

Actually it's not....Purdy looks at the formations and then runs the play with the order of operands Kyle gives him. Purdy is doing an amazing job with the o line he was given.

FWIW, ESPN puts the OL pretty much at median.
Team PRWR RSWR PBWR RBWR
San Francisco 49ers 50%(6) 32%(15) 54%(19) 71%(17)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Some are very confused by this. Ha

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-12-2023

yes it's confusing, cause you are using PFF ?

Rankings over results. You got to love it.

yeah lol

I don't believe the 5 pressures. Hurts couldn't do anything because of the pressure and most of his sacks were deemed runs tackle for losses lol

Right? Those PFF rankings are bonkers!

all rankings are bonkers, it's better to go off actual game play and results

So you buy PFF's end result data but not their weekly rankings...which are based off their end results data?

what are you even talking about, in no way did i ever mention to go off of PFF. I don't have access nor look at PFF to get results

Yes you do. Click on the link. All the data fed to you by YAC is PFF. That's what makes this so comical.

All what data, why are you trying to spin it lol

i know why, cause you got caught again using PFF

I post PFF's weekly rankings based on their own stats here every week for you. What is wrong with you? LOL

Ok ok so you love PFF.

I don't need PFF rankings like you do

I like me some good ol fashioned stats and game play

No, I'm not biased so I'll post whatever I come across related to the topic for you and everyone. Even PFF despite what I think about their platform related to the OL.

Clearly not, because you'd have questioned their rankings big time by now.

As to stats, PFF is ALL you reference in here which is another reason I post those weekly rankings for you to show you the hypocrisy within PFF itself.

Game play?

Let's kick some Hawks ass tonight!

Originally posted by Poldarn49:
FWIW, ESPN puts the OL pretty much at median.
Team PRWR RSWR PBWR RBWR
San Francisco 49ers 50%(6) 32%(15) 54%(19) 71%(17)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

The KC IOL is nice per these metrics.

Good OL is where TrenchWarfare has us. ESPN about 19th (23rd composite) in PBWR. PFF has us 28th in PB.

We don't have the talent to swing higher than that and have too much talent to swing any lower than that (with a healthy Trent Williams).

That's our talent range IMHO. Depth is even worse.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

For those who are under the impression that because we run alot of playaction, it masks the 49ers poor pass protection. Brock Purdy is ranked 22nd in the league in playaction dropback rate at 23.3%. He is also ranked 14th in the league in dropbacks on screen passes at 12.1%. Guys like Tua, Lawrence, Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow and Goff throw more screen passes than Brock. Guys like Tua, Cousins, Dak, Hurts, Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Allen and Lawrence all dropback on playaction passes more than Brock.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.

To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.

We've given up 20 sacks so far.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.

To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.

We've given up 20 sacks so far.

Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.

To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.

We've given up 20 sacks so far.

Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!

These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.

Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.

Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.



EDIT: i will also say that Purdy does an amazing job of getting rid of the ball with some animal in his face, which happenes multiple tiomes a game. Probably the "smart" play in a lot of those situations is to take the sack.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.

To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.

We've given up 20 sacks so far.

Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!

These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.

Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.

Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.

So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection

97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks

Eagles O line pass protection

110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks

Pressure rate

49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%

sack rate

49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%

Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?

No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.

oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.

To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.

We've given up 20 sacks so far.

Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!

These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.

Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.

Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.

So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.

If our oline is too confused to slide to a free runner, yea, it's still there problem. The bad guys need to rush 6 before we require a te in protection. How often has that happened.