49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

That would be my ideal lineup, I find Kilgore to be a best fit as a center not just due to size. But I think he is an intelligent player. Martin is as well, but his size and athleticism will be invaluable with getting to the second level and assisting on the double teams.

Thomas is a big what if, has he gotten stronger since college, how's that knees holding up, will he grasp the play book? The benefit with him though is his overall size and ahyleticism would make him a good fit for this scheme.

Boone worries me though, I'm not sure how well he will take to this scheme. He is a mauler, and tat just doesn't seen to fit what we will be doing all the time. I would love to see him play tackle, but seems like the coaches are set on him playing lg and being the primary back up I staley.

Everyone doesn't like pears, and I understand why. But the one thing is, he never gives up a lot of sacks(most is 4 in one season I believe). He may not run block well but atleast kap won't get murdered.

If forester gets the oline together we have the potential to be awesome on offense dare I say top 10

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

I like your lineup the best.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

I like your lineup the best.

Thanks. Like Phil said too...so many factors and combinations you could go here. Also, IIRC WRATH stated that we may not have to move Staley b/c he would be our best backside sealer on those cut backs.

Hmmmmm.

Originally posted by walker807:

Kilgore was the second best lineman on the squad before he got hurt. Barring injury, he's the center and that's not a bad thing. Looney sucks.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Man - you guys keep UNDER- estimating Kilgore.

Last year he was playing better than any of our Olinemen until he was injured.

IMO, he'll come back w/a vengence

I like Kilgore and think he's a good player, but also think that he has peaked. As far as upside is concerned I like what I've heard about the work Martin has put in and even though I haven't heard anything specific about Looney besides the fact he got some starting duty at center and got into some shoving matches during otas I'm still holding out hope.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

I like your lineup the best.

Thanks. Like Phil said too...so many factors and combinations you could go here. Also, IIRC WRATH stated that we may not have to move Staley b/c he would be our best backside sealer on those cut backs.

Hmmmmm.

Sorry I've been AWOL, zoners. I just got hired to a new job, and I'm learning new terminology to go with old scheme. Ugh. I might not be as available to do PS film reviews on the OL this year... we'll see.

As far as this lineup, yeah I still prefer Staley at LT. He's our best lineman BY FAR, and he should be for a while. Kilgore missed less assignments than Staley last year, but Staley has the hardest blocking assignment on nearly every single play. He's adept at reaching outside blocks to secure the edge on outside runs, he's the only OL on the roster who has demonstrated the ability to get the backside cut on a zone play, he plays well against every team's best pass rusher every week, and he had to do so next to a gimpy, heavy-footed ogre since 2010.

I see the value in playing Boone at LG, to keep his footwork sharp if he needs to slide in at LT. Thing is, he's been fine at LT when he moves over from RG. If it's for his ability to pull to the right on power/counter, then I hope Brown wins the RT job, since Pears doesn't seem like the right guy to secure that big down block. I hear Pears does his best work in a ZBS, and he's a much better t than a G, but I don't really know him. I feel good about 3 interior solid starters emerging from Martin, Thomas, Looney, Kilgore, and Farrell.

If it was up to me, I'd go:

1) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Martin, Boone: if they are serious about having a LT candidate at LG, Thomas can be that guy. This still gives us two big bodies on the right side.

2) Staley, Martin, Kilgore, Thomas, Boone: Martin is more physical, and could be a better puller than Thomas, but he is definitely not a LT candidate.

3) Staley, Boone, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Just because it's what they're running now, and I don't think our coaches are stupid

4) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Optimal ZBS lineup with impressive pass blocking ability (as long as Kilgore can anchor against a beastly bull rush this year). My biased option, since Boone pisses me off on occasion (like: all of 2014). Still have an emergency LT at LG, but Boone is the swing tackle, mostly because I don't have faith in him as a ZBS guy. He could prove me wrong, or we could stay mostly power, and he'd still be a good fit.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

I like your lineup the best.

Thanks. Like Phil said too...so many factors and combinations you could go here. Also, IIRC WRATH stated that we may not have to move Staley b/c he would be our best backside sealer on those cut backs.

Hmmmmm.

Sorry I've been AWOL, zoners. I just got hired to a new job, and I'm learning new terminology to go with old scheme. Ugh. I might not be as available to do PS film reviews on the OL this year... we'll see.

As far as this lineup, yeah I still prefer Staley at LT. He's our best lineman BY FAR, and he should be for a while. Kilgore missed less assignments than Staley last year, but Staley has the hardest blocking assignment on nearly every single play. He's adept at reaching outside blocks to secure the edge on outside runs, he's the only OL on the roster who has demonstrated the ability to get the backside cut on a zone play, he plays well against every team's best pass rusher every week, and he had to do so next to a gimpy, heavy-footed ogre since 2010.

I see the value in playing Boone at LG, to keep his footwork sharp if he needs to slide in at LT. Thing is, he's been fine at LT when he moves over from RG. If it's for his ability to pull to the right on power/counter, then I hope Brown wins the RT job, since Pears doesn't seem like the right guy to secure that big down block. I hear Pears does his best work in a ZBS, and he's a much better t than a G, but I don't really know him. I feel good about 3 interior solid starters emerging from Martin, Thomas, Looney, Kilgore, and Farrell.

If it was up to me, I'd go:

1) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Martin, Boone: if they are serious about having a LT candidate at LG, Thomas can be that guy. This still gives us two big bodies on the right side.

2) Staley, Martin, Kilgore, Thomas, Boone: Martin is more physical, and could be a better puller than Thomas, but he is definitely not a LT candidate.

3) Staley, Boone, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Just because it's what they're running now, and I don't think our coaches are stupid

4) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Optimal ZBS lineup with impressive pass blocking ability (as long as Kilgore can anchor against a beastly bull rush this year). My biased option, since Boone pisses me off on occasion (like: all of 2014). Still have an emergency LT at LG, but Boone is the swing tackle, mostly because I don't have faith in him as a ZBS guy. He could prove me wrong, or we could stay mostly power, and he'd still be a good fit.

Big time congrats. Sounds like you're learning a new playbook as well. We'll miss your OL analysis for sure.

Great breakdown and now I can come back to refer to it.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Where is WRATH? I'm struggling with finding the best lineup myself:

BOONE - THOMAS - KILGORE - MARTIN - STALEY

Staley is getting older and this is usually when you see a change from LT to RT. Boone is in heaven at LT for obvious reasons. Kilgore excels at IQ and on angles and blocking on the move making him an ideal fit for the ZBS. Thomas and Martin give you youth and power and the ability of mobility and power runs (pulling guards) as well.

I like your lineup the best.

Thanks. Like Phil said too...so many factors and combinations you could go here. Also, IIRC WRATH stated that we may not have to move Staley b/c he would be our best backside sealer on those cut backs.

Hmmmmm.

Sorry I've been AWOL, zoners. I just got hired to a new job, and I'm learning new terminology to go with old scheme. Ugh. I might not be as available to do PS film reviews on the OL this year... we'll see.

As far as this lineup, yeah I still prefer Staley at LT. He's our best lineman BY FAR, and he should be for a while. Kilgore missed less assignments than Staley last year, but Staley has the hardest blocking assignment on nearly every single play. He's adept at reaching outside blocks to secure the edge on outside runs, he's the only OL on the roster who has demonstrated the ability to get the backside cut on a zone play, he plays well against every team's best pass rusher every week, and he had to do so next to a gimpy, heavy-footed ogre since 2010.

I see the value in playing Boone at LG, to keep his footwork sharp if he needs to slide in at LT. Thing is, he's been fine at LT when he moves over from RG. If it's for his ability to pull to the right on power/counter, then I hope Brown wins the RT job, since Pears doesn't seem like the right guy to secure that big down block. I hear Pears does his best work in a ZBS, and he's a much better t than a G, but I don't really know him. I feel good about 3 interior solid starters emerging from Martin, Thomas, Looney, Kilgore, and Farrell.

If it was up to me, I'd go:

1) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Martin, Boone: if they are serious about having a LT candidate at LG, Thomas can be that guy. This still gives us two big bodies on the right side.

2) Staley, Martin, Kilgore, Thomas, Boone: Martin is more physical, and could be a better puller than Thomas, but he is definitely not a LT candidate.

3) Staley, Boone, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Just because it's what they're running now, and I don't think our coaches are stupid

4) Staley, Thomas, Kilgore, Thomas, Pears: Optimal ZBS lineup with impressive pass blocking ability (as long as Kilgore can anchor against a beastly bull rush this year). My biased option, since Boone pisses me off on occasion (like: all of 2014). Still have an emergency LT at LG, but Boone is the swing tackle, mostly because I don't have faith in him as a ZBS guy. He could prove me wrong, or we could stay mostly power, and he'd still be a good fit.

thanks

I see setup #3 as the starting lineup come week 1...but I'd love to see Boone at RT and have both Thomas/Martin as out interior linemen.

I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Most rookie OL (almost all of them taken outside of the first round) do not enter the NFL with the type of strength they need to succeed inside. Martin's injuries prior to camp rally set him back in terms of correcting his strength issues before the saeson started. I thought he was assignment sound with good feet last year, and that he generally only graded poorly on plays where he was outclassed from a strength perspective. That issue should have been corrected throughout his first complete (and healthy) offseason, particularly because of his impressive natural size and reported offseason work ethic. I think he's one of the more naturally gifted and intelligent OL on the roster. I hope he plays.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Most rookie OL (almost all of them taken outside of the first round) do not enter the NFL with the type of strength they need to succeed inside. Martin's injuries prior to camp rally set him back in terms of correcting his strength issues before the saeson started. I thought he was assignment sound with good feet last year, and that he generally only graded poorly on plays where he was outclassed from a strength perspective. That issue should have been corrected throughout his first complete (and healthy) offseason, particularly because of his impressive natural size and reported offseason work ethic. I think he's one of the more naturally gifted and intelligent OL on the roster. I hope he plays.

Gospel right here. He and the entire OL were required to slim down and get in shape for the required impending move to a zone-blocking scheme. Either get your ass is shape or quit. Martin worked his ass off and A.Davis quit. Martin's talent is through the roof. Is he even 21 yet? That experience he got last year will go a long way this year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Most rookie OL (almost all of them taken outside of the first round) do not enter the NFL with the type of strength they need to succeed inside. Martin's injuries prior to camp rally set him back in terms of correcting his strength issues before the saeson started. I thought he was assignment sound with good feet last year, and that he generally only graded poorly on plays where he was outclassed from a strength perspective. That issue should have been corrected throughout his first complete (and healthy) offseason, particularly because of his impressive natural size and reported offseason work ethic. I think he's one of the more naturally gifted and intelligent OL on the roster. I hope he plays.

Gospel right here. He and the entire OL were required to slim down and get in shape for the required impending move to a zone-blocking scheme. Either get your ass is shape or quit. Martin worked his ass off and A.Davis quit. Martin's talent is through the roof. Is he even 21 yet? That experience he got last year will go a long way this year.

Great posts! Martin is still tied for being the youngest niner (Armstead is 20). Martin, Pinnion and Harold are 21. The fact that he played as well as he did last year is very surprising given his youth. Would love to see Kilgore at center with Thomas and Martin at OG. Thomas is three years older than Martin!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Most rookie OL (almost all of them taken outside of the first round) do not enter the NFL with the type of strength they need to succeed inside. Martin's injuries prior to camp rally set him back in terms of correcting his strength issues before the saeson started. I thought he was assignment sound with good feet last year, and that he generally only graded poorly on plays where he was outclassed from a strength perspective. That issue should have been corrected throughout his first complete (and healthy) offseason, particularly because of his impressive natural size and reported offseason work ethic. I think he's one of the more naturally gifted and intelligent OL on the roster. I hope he plays.

Gospel right here. He and the entire OL were required to slim down and get in shape for the required impending move to a zone-blocking scheme. Either get your ass is shape or quit. Martin worked his ass off and A.Davis quit. Martin's talent is through the roof. Is he even 21 yet? That experience he got last year will go a long way this year.

Great posts! Martin is still tied for being the youngest niner (Armstead is 20). Martin, Pinnion and Harold are 21. The fact that he played as well as he did last year is very surprising given his youth. Would love to see Kilgore at center with Thomas and Martin at OG. Thomas is three years older than Martin!

That's crazy to think about!

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Martin is going to be a quality OL. He was a 3rd round pick interior OL of course he was going to struggle. He wasn't even supposed to play but was pressed into action because of injuries. He had his own dislocated kneecap and missed a lot of time. He is a hard worker though and is supposedly in a lot better shape. He will be fine.

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I thought Martin stunk last year. I saw the defense run past him before he got out of his crouch.

Staley - Thomas - Kilgore - Pears - Boone

Martin is going to be a quality OL. He was a 3rd round pick interior OL of course he was going to struggle. He wasn't even supposed to play but was pressed into action because of injuries. He had his own dislocated kneecap and missed a lot of time. He is a hard worker though and is supposedly in a lot better shape. He will be fine.

My bigger question is Thomas. He too sounds like a hell of a talent but we haven't gotten much info on him thus far. Have to wait and see when the pads are put on. And Pears at RT in a ZBS? Boone in a ZBS?

Originally posted by NCommand:

My bigger question is Thomas. He too sounds like a hell of a talent but we haven't gotten much info on him thus far. Have to wait and see when the pads are put on. And Pears at RT in a ZBS? Boone in a ZBS?

Don't Forget Trenton Brown the rookie. He might have the best size/speed combo of anybody except Staley.