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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:Where's my cred.. I was the one who said it first ! Lol
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Solid workmanlike performance.
Absolutely.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
What tier we at this week?
Tier 1 performance on a very very short week and with a position change too. Well done!
PS: 9ers4eva/Chance: Pass to set up the run too this week. Loving it.
All, you are always first in our hearts.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection
97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks
Eagles O line pass protection
110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks
Pressure rate
49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%
sack rate
49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%
Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?
No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.
oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.
To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.
We've given up 20 sacks so far.
Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!
These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.
Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.
Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.
So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.
If our oline is too confused to slide to a free runner, yea, it's still there problem. The bad guys need to rush 6 before we require a te in protection. How often has that happened.
This is why I always reference the term "unit pass protection." When pass protection isn't a top priority in talent acquisition or mastery (run blocking is), that extends to the rest of the unit pass protection in extra OL, TE'S, FB, RB's, etc. and QB's get killed as a result.
To each his own,...but from my observations,... this term is only referenced as an out to what you've previously said, where you're boxed in and caught between a rock and a hard place.
We aren't discussing unit pass protection anyway. This is the OFFENSIVE LINE THREAD.
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need to find a RG in the off season
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection
97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks
Eagles O line pass protection
110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks
Pressure rate
49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%
sack rate
49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%
Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?
No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.
oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.
To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.
We've given up 20 sacks so far.
Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!
These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.
Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.
Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.
So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.
If our oline is too confused to slide to a free runner, yea, it's still there problem. The bad guys need to rush 6 before we require a te in protection. How often has that happened.
This is why I always reference the term "unit pass protection." When pass protection isn't a top priority in talent acquisition or mastery (run blocking is), that extends to the rest of the unit pass protection in extra OL, TE'S, FB, RB's, etc. and QB's get killed as a result.
To each his own,...but from my observations,... this term is only referenced as an out to what you've previously said, where you're boxed in and caught between a rock and a hard place.
We aren't discussing unit pass protection anyway. This is the OFFENSIVE LINE THREAD.
OK, lets say we agree with your theory that our offensive line personnel are fine and doing a good job in pass pro.
Do you agree Purdy is getting hit too much and has to improvise in malformed pockets too much?
If you agree with the above, what's your solution?
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection
97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks
Eagles O line pass protection
110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks
Pressure rate
49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%
sack rate
49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%
Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?
No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.
oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.
To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.
We've given up 20 sacks so far.
Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!
These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.
Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.
Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.
So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.
If our oline is too confused to slide to a free runner, yea, it's still there problem. The bad guys need to rush 6 before we require a te in protection. How often has that happened.
This is why I always reference the term "unit pass protection." When pass protection isn't a top priority in talent acquisition or mastery (run blocking is), that extends to the rest of the unit pass protection in extra OL, TE'S, FB, RB's, etc. and QB's get killed as a result.
To each his own,...but from my observations,... this term is only referenced as an out to what you've previously said, where you're boxed in and caught between a rock and a hard place.
We aren't discussing unit pass protection anyway. This is the OFFENSIVE LINE THREAD.
OK, lets say we agree with your theory that our offensive line personnel are fine and doing a good job in pass pro.
Do you agree Purdy is getting hit too much and has to improvise in malformed pockets too much?
If you agree with the above, what's your solution?
First of all I never once said that the 49ers o line was performing well in pass pro. My chart that I posted had them at 18th in the league. My argument was that the eagles and chiefs O lines were not any better than ours. That chart was designed to prove that.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line pass protection
97 pressures and 8 sacks on 313 dropbacks
Eagles O line pass protection
110 pressures and 22 sacks on 382 dropbacks
Pressure rate
49ers- 31.0%
Eagles- 28.8%
sack rate
49ers- 2.6%
Eagles- 5.8%
Are you saying purdybwas only sacked 4vtimes before tampa bay? That cant be right. Are these stats from pfr?
No. I am not saying that. Not all sacks are charged to an O lineman. In fact the only O lineman who have been charged with sacks this season are McKivitz with 5 and Burford with 3. Our other 12 sacks have either come from a free rusher on a blitz or Purdy escaping the pocket and being brought down just before the LOS.
oh. are you quoting some make believe pff stat that doesn't exist in the real world? The only thing people need to know about our pass pro is the eyeball test watching our guys get steamrolled now and then.
To be fair statistically, we do have good pass pro stats. Top5 in sacks given up (i.e. lower sacks). In my opinion that's much more scheme than talent. Purdy + shanny scheming first option reads to break open in < 2.5s.
We've given up 20 sacks so far.
Made up stat? Sacks are a team stat. So what you are saying is that Juice's sack is also on the O line? GTFOH!
These mystery stats are complicated and inevitably we don't know whos reposnsibility is what, or what should been called at the line.
Pretty useless to speculate about it except in the 49er film room.
Our sack percentage is not so good as our raw numbers.
So what you are saying is if Juice, Kittle or CMC give up a pressure or sack that is a reflection of of the O line? Separating responsibilty is exactly what we do to try and gauge the quality of players. If that is not what you think we should be doing than you should just take yourself right out of this conversation because you just lost all credibility.
If our oline is too confused to slide to a free runner, yea, it's still there problem. The bad guys need to rush 6 before we require a te in protection. How often has that happened.
This is why I always reference the term "unit pass protection." When pass protection isn't a top priority in talent acquisition or mastery (run blocking is), that extends to the rest of the unit pass protection in extra OL, TE'S, FB, RB's, etc. and QB's get killed as a result.
To each his own,...but from my observations,... this term is only referenced as an out to what you've previously said, where you're boxed in and caught between a rock and a hard place.
We aren't discussing unit pass protection anyway. This is the OFFENSIVE LINE THREAD.
OK, lets say we agree with your theory that our offensive line personnel are fine and doing a good job in pass pro.
Do you agree Purdy is getting hit too much and has to improvise in malformed pockets too much?
If you agree with the above, what's your solution?
First of all I never once said that the 49ers o line was performing well in pass pro. My chart that I posted had them at 18th in the league. My argument was that the eagles and chiefs O lines were not any better than ours. That chart was designed to prove that.
Wha? You are going on and on about OFFENSIVE LINE STATS not UNIT PROTECTION SCHEMES. On and on.
The chiefs have HALF the sack rate we do -- 3.3% vs 6.5%. So they are twice as good as we are.
On Purdy's legendary throw to Aiyuk last night, what did you think of McKivitz's performance on the play?
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by lamontb:
We need to find a RG in the off season
Agree and an offensive left tackle understudy for Trent.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
A thought I had watching the game - the line is solid. It has its ups and downs and certainly revolves around TW. Can absolutely be improved.
Purdy is proving to be so good..... please baby Jesus build this man a monster line going forward. One main reason is to protect him, and two is with more time I don't see many defenses containing him.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
