49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we gotta win or NC will be going off

he's been waiting all year.. he just loves it when we lose

You should block yourself for this comment alone.

And we're not losing this game.

this does seem like a test of the tiers, figuring we are on the road vs a tier 1
as I check the spread, I see we are, what's this.. favored

don't do this to us

Originally posted by Heroism:
I hope Banks is feeling good because we need his power and size up against those 2 fat f**ks Philly has inside. Jordan Davis has gotta be pushing 400 pounds.

Homeboy is huge. We need one of them dudes for 1st downs. Yea the IOL gonna have there hands full dealing with him and Carter. I don't expect the inside zones to work well this week.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Of course the O line plays a role. The O line is involved in all aspects of the offense. But please tell me which part of our debate was about the O line and not about Kyle's scheme and frequency of use?

Could you post the 49ers playaction rate from 2021, 2022, and this season? I'd like to see the amount in which it has decreased. I think I know why it is decreasing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we gotta win or NC will be going off

he's been waiting all year.. he just loves it when we lose

You should block yourself for this comment alone.

And we're not losing this game.

this does seem like a test of the tiers, figuring we are on the road vs a tier 1
as I check the spread, I see we are, what's this.. favored

don't do this to us

Lots of top tier OL/DL matchups and skill sets.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we gotta win or NC will be going off

he's been waiting all year.. he just loves it when we lose

You should block yourself for this comment alone.

And we're not losing this game.

this does seem like a test of the tiers, figuring we are on the road vs a tier 1
as I check the spread, I see we are, what's this.. favored

don't do this to us

Lots of top tier OL/DL matchups and skill sets.

i think Vegas is pushing it with their 10-1 home underdog, now they will bring back the masks

I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Dude is a beast.

Is it good Spencer Burford is back?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Dude is a beast.

tier 1 DL?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Playaction helps Purdy. Why would they decrease it?

My hypothesis is that it has nothing to do with Purdy, it has to do with how defenses have changed from a league wide perspective. With the way the league has moved to more Quarters, playaction does not help as much with opening up the area behind the LBs. I'm talking specifically about when the 49ers use playaction, then target the intermediate area behind the LBs and in front of the safeties. It has to do with how Quarters safeties line up at shallow depth (compared to Cover2 and Cover3) and also with how in many variations of Quarters, the safeties have a run fit - whereas Cover2 and Cover3 deep safeties do not have a run fit.

Let's use Cover3 as an example of how playaction works very well. The three players in deep zones in a Cover3 do not have a run fit. They will not honor playaction since their goal is to not get beat deep. So playaction, all 8 box defenders (LBs) creep towards the LoS, while the deep zones do not creep towards the LoS. This opens up the area behind the LBs, and in front of the deep zone guys. When the craze was the Seattle Cover3, playaction made sense to screw with the 8 box defenders.

In Quarters, the two deep safeties play shallow - this is a characteristic of Quarters - about 10-12 yards behind the LoS. This is not deep compared to Cover2 safeties, and Cover3 deep middle safety. So playaction, the two Quarters safeties creep from 12 yards back to 10 depth. All playaction did was compress the area behind the LBs and in front of the Quarters safeties. And if that's the area the 49ers want to target intermediate routes, playaction does not help. Where playaction would help versus Quarters safeties is when you want to attack deep. But most of the explosives and mini-explosives for the 49ers are in the intermediate areas.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Dude is a beast.

I tell yah'll how to stop a great DT... it's really simple...

BOOT BOOT AND MORE BOOT !!!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Dude is a beast.

tier 1 DL?

Both of us.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is it good Spencer Burford is back?

Not sure. Seems that the further away from Trent we get the worse the results so it probably won't change anything.

Maybe split snaps like he did with Brunskill last year? Don't know, but I can't see him or Feliciano lasting the whole game without being worn down by the Eagles DL.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I have no idea what the line can do to stop Carter. This guy is dominant, has high football iq and tremendous power and gamespeed. You can argue he's the best player on the entire Eagles Dline and he's just a rookie.

Dude is a beast.

I tell yah'll how to stop a great DT... it's really simple...

BOOT BOOT AND MORE BOOT !!!

A "boot" to the nuts like a draymond?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Playaction helps Purdy. Why would they decrease it?

My hypothesis is that it has nothing to do with Purdy, it has to do with how defenses have changed from a league wide perspective. With the way the league has moved to more Quarters, playaction does not help as much with opening up the area behind the LBs. I'm talking specifically about when the 49ers use playaction, then target the intermediate area behind the LBs and in front of the safeties. It has to do with how Quarters safeties line up at shallow depth (compared to Cover2 and Cover3) and also with how in many variations of Quarters, the safeties have a run fit - whereas Cover2 and Cover3 deep safeties do not have a run fit.

Let's use Cover3 as an example of how playaction works very well. The three players in deep zones in a Cover3 do not have a run fit. They will not honor playaction since their goal is to not get beat deep. So playaction, all 8 box defenders (LBs) creep towards the LoS, while the deep zones do not creep towards the LoS. This opens up the area behind the LBs, and in front of the deep zone guys. When the craze was the Seattle Cover3, playaction made sense to screw with the 8 box defenders.

In Quarters, the two deep safeties play shallow - this is a characteristic of Quarters - about 10-12 yards behind the LoS. This is not deep compared to Cover2 safeties, and Cover3 deep middle safety. So playaction, the two Quarters safeties creep from 12 yards back to 10 depth. All playaction did was compress the area behind the LBs and in front of the Quarters safeties. And if that's the area the 49ers want to target intermediate routes, playaction does not help. Where playaction would help versus Quarters safeties is when you want to attack deep. But most of the explosives and mini-explosives for the 49ers are in the intermediate areas.

Fantastic post!