49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All of those stats show the whole OL as a problem...from worst to like 23rd.

But I hear you about Burford. He's absolutely the weakest link and there's a chance to be at least average like you said, if they could just find average play there.

The stat that actually broke it down showed guard as the main problem though. It's clearly dragging the rest down.

So now G's are important?

Oh the ironing. Haha j/k

Never said they weren't. Certainly never called them dime a dozen.

Having elite guards isn't that important. Can't be terrible at any spot though.

Please O-line just give Brock time to finish his dropback and we'll be fine.

Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
All of those stats show the whole OL as a problem...from worst to like 23rd.

But I hear you about Burford. He's absolutely the weakest link and there's a chance to be at least average like you said, if they could just find average play there.

The stat that actually broke it down showed guard as the main problem though. It's clearly dragging the rest down.

So now G's are important?

Oh the ironing. Haha j/k

Never said they weren't. Certainly never called them dime a dozen.

Having elite guards isn't that important. Can't be terrible at any spot though.

Haha. Usually having 1 higher end G pushes the whole unit up quite a bit but yeah, I'd take average right now.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Disagree, I think Feliciano will start - one reason is that the run game was a bit better (at least in my opinion) with Feliciano vs Burford (at least I felt it was in the Seattle game).

Note also that Bartch (the new guy) is also bigger than Burford. I think if Feliciano and Burford is similar in pass blocking, the difference maker is in the run blocking.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Disagree, I think Feliciano will start - one reason is that the run game was a bit better (at least in my opinion) with Feliciano vs Burford (at least I felt it was in the Seattle game).

Note also that Bartch (the new guy) is also bigger than Burford. I think if Feliciano and Burford is similar in pass blocking, the difference maker is in the run blocking.

I think Feliciano has been a little bit worse in pass pro than Burford. Atleast that is what the numbers say. But I do agree that we should start Feliciano over Burford this week. Burford has been limited so far this week at practice and hasn't played for a couple of weeks. This O line will be going up against formidable pass rush. Better stick with the guy who has been a full go.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Disagree, I think Feliciano will start - one reason is that the run game was a bit better (at least in my opinion) with Feliciano vs Burford (at least I felt it was in the Seattle game).

Note also that Bartch (the new guy) is also bigger than Burford. I think if Feliciano and Burford is similar in pass blocking, the difference maker is in the run blocking.

Barch is gone. He was waived for the 2 new DB's.

And yes, I could see Feliciano starting too for that very reason. Plus he's a veteran so they may feel more comfortable with him in there for this big game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Disagree, I think Feliciano will start - one reason is that the run game was a bit better (at least in my opinion) with Feliciano vs Burford (at least I felt it was in the Seattle game).

Note also that Bartch (the new guy) is also bigger than Burford. I think if Feliciano and Burford is similar in pass blocking, the difference maker is in the run blocking.

Barch is gone. He was waived for the 2 new DB's.

And yes, I could see Feliciano starting too for that very reason. Plus he's a veteran so they may feel more comfortable with him in there for this big game.

oh shoot.. did he get waived ?

was hoping to see how he would do

Originally posted by NCommand:
Barch is gone. He was waived for the 2 new DB's.

And yes, I could see Feliciano starting too for that very reason. Plus he's a veteran so they may feel more comfortable with him in there for this big game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
oh shoot.. did he get waived ?

was hoping to see how he would do

I've been looking for news about Bartch being waived, can't find it.

Edit: good point about Bartch being a veteran vs Burford being a young 2nd year player. Specially agains that Eagle DT. That's a ton of talent that can make Burford intimidated (in a sense) and do stupid stuff in big situations.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Barch is gone. He was waived for the 2 new DB's.

And yes, I could see Feliciano starting too for that very reason. Plus he's a veteran so they may feel more comfortable with him in there for this big game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
oh shoot.. did he get waived ?

was hoping to see how he would do

I've been looking for news about Bartch being waived, can't find it.

Edit: good point about Bartch being a veteran vs Burford being a young 2nd year player. Specially agains that Eagle DT. That's a ton of talent that can make Burford intimidated (in a sense) and do stupid stuff in big situations.

It's on the homepage articles regarding signing two DB's and cutting him as a result.

Edit: Apologies. Wrong OL.

The San Francisco 49ers have signed cornerback Kemon Hall and safety Erik Harris to the team's practice squad and released offensive lineman Henry Byrd.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Barch is gone. He was waived for the 2 new DB's.

And yes, I could see Feliciano starting too for that very reason. Plus he's a veteran so they may feel more comfortable with him in there for this big game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
oh shoot.. did he get waived ?

was hoping to see how he would do

I've been looking for news about Bartch being waived, can't find it.

Edit: good point about Bartch being a veteran vs Burford being a young 2nd year player. Specially agains that Eagle DT. That's a ton of talent that can make Burford intimidated (in a sense) and do stupid stuff in big situations.

It's on the homepage articles regarding signing two DB's and cutting him as a result.

Edit: Apologies. Wrong OL.

The San Francisco 49ers have signed cornerback Kemon Hall and safety Erik Harris to the team's practice squad and released offensive lineman Henry Byrd.

Got it! I'm seeing a trend. Feliciano and Bartch are both bigger than Burford.

Hog's OLine here we come!!!

From the man, himself (HP).

Is OL Jon Feliciano a upgrade from OL Spencer Burford? And if so, how is he the superior player?

"Right now, I'd say that everybody's graded about the same this season. There's a very fine line between all of them. So to say that one's an upgrade over another – they all bring something different to the table. All the guys that are in there. [T] Trent's [Williams] the only guy that kind is an outlier, cut above everybody else, as far as ability and the things he does. But when you look at the rest of the guys, you look at any given game and you can say, oh, this week Colton's better, this week Spencer's better, this week Jon's better, this week Trent, [C] Jake [Brendel]. We're all about the same. They all play well together. They work well together, and it's just what they bring to the table on a given week."

What does Feliciano do well?
"Jon's thing is, in pass protection, he's pretty reliable. His experience level is, I guess the thing that would be the most. He's been there, done that, played in the games, has experienced all the things, has played against these players that we're playing against this week, being in the division against them the last couple years. So, like I say, every week it's a different thing. So, Jon brings that experience level and I'd say his pass protection probably the thing he's probably doing the best job of right now."

Where is your offensive line, both individually and working together compared to what you hoped or expected they would be at this point in the season to where they actually are right now? Are you pleased with the way the offensive line is coming along? "Yeah, I mean, I just say we're still trying to get better. We've been okay, we're productive. Offense has been productive in running the ball protection wise, but there's just so many things we can do better. We're just not there yet. We're a working progress. Each individual's getting a little bit better every week. That's the thing I did notice over the Bye Week and it's continued these last three weeks since the Bye that I did notice. It was incremental, it was small, but Spencer, Colton, Jake, [OL Aaron] Banks to a degree then he got hurt, you saw him getting better, even Trent. Trent has to get himself back into playing shape from early in the season as we go through the year, he gets better and better as the year goes on, as long as he stays healthy. So I think we're progressing and working to get better, but there's a lot to do. What I like seeing as group, is I do think they're beginning to work better as a group, as each week goes on. That's the thing that I hope continues. There's so many things that go into playing well together as a group, and it's not just line up next to the same guy. It's just understanding the concept of a play and understanding how the defense, how we apply our techniques and fundamentals to that play against this particular defense. And then having the guys being on the same page with it. That's the thing that's really exciting to watch as it goes on and as I've stated here before, you play football every day and we play six days a week or whatever it is, we get to practice and do all that we get to do and guys can get better. Our guys because of [Head Coach] Kyle [Shanahan] and how we do things here, they're always working. We're always making sure that they have to work and when they work at it, they tend to get better if they have the ability to do it. So, it's been incremental – not there yet, not at all. I'm glad we have six regular season games left to see how we do, and this will be a great test to see where we are."

NC, I like Bartch's Tight End background. (from his scouting profile) Looks like good depth for the Guard position. He's been in the league 3 years - hopefully he's developed some NFL strength these past 3 years. Former 4th round pick.

Strengths
Converted tight end with plenty of athletic ability. Ran 110-meter hurdles and 4x400 relays in high school. Scouts love background in college shot put and discus due to explosion benefits. Easy, speedy slide quickness in pass pro and second-level adjustments. Can burst out of stance and take off laterally. Accelerates with some pop into down blocks. Flexion in knees/ankles offer building blocks to anchor. Natural mirroring talent to stay in front of rushers. Inside hand is stiff and upward in his punch. Reactive ability to combat rush counters
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ben-bartch/32004241-5272-0314-6867-3573699ef57d

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Who wants to guess who starts at right guard this week and whether there will be split snaps?

My guess: Burford starts, snaps will be split around 60-40 in his favor

Interesting. I could see the Burford/Brunskill platoon here with Feliciano but my guess is Foerster just sticks with Burford.

Not sure they will split b/c Feliciano was just as bad as Burford last game.