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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.
What's the TTT differential? That was by design.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.
On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.
Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts
You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Huh? They were great in PP against our tier 1 DL. You'll have ask YAC but I'm sure PFF had them at 13.5s before pressure. LOL.
Eany to be great when the entirety of the design was to contain your qb. 9ers still got Hurts off his spot consistently
Didn't realize 3 sacks and 9 QB hits constituted great PP. what a joke
Jalen had an average of 4.62 seconds before being pressured. But that was the game plan. Keep Hurts in the pocket and force him to play QB. Worked like a charm.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?
Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.
He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.
Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.
That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.
So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?
Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.
We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.
I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Huh? They were great in PP against our tier 1 DL. You'll have ask YAC but I'm sure PFF had them at 13.5s before pressure. LOL.
Eany to be great when the entirety of the design was to contain your qb. 9ers still got Hurts off his spot consistently
Didn't realize 3 sacks and 9 QB hits constituted great PP. what a joke
Jalen had an average of 4.62 seconds before being pressured. But that was the game plan. Keep Hurts in the pocket and force him to play QB. Worked like a charm.
Yup. Unfortunately he will spin it like PHI was just dominating in PP. the fact that was the game plan and they still generated 3 sacks, 9 QB hits and 22 pressures is very telling
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also
Pressures on Sunday...
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 4, 2023
49ers: 46
Eagles: 16
Much was made about Philadelphia's advantage up front, but SF whipped them on both lines of scrimmage
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?
Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.
He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.
Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.
That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.
So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?
Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.
We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.
I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.
You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Huh? They were great in PP against our tier 1 DL. You'll have ask YAC but I'm sure PFF had them at 13.5s before pressure. LOL.
Eany to be great when the entirety of the design was to contain your qb. 9ers still got Hurts off his spot consistently
Didn't realize 3 sacks and 9 QB hits constituted great PP. what a joke
Jalen had an average of 4.62 seconds before being pressured. But that was the game plan. Keep Hurts in the pocket and force him to play QB. Worked like a charm.
Yup. Unfortunately he will spin it like PHI was just dominating in PP. the fact that was the game plan and they still generated 3 sacks, 9 QB hits and 22 pressures is very telling
Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course. Only you'd think a tier 1 anything transcends everything else. You need both.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.
What's the TTT differential? That was by design.
The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb
Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:see the spin now.. "you need both" ..boy was he harping the opposite the last 7 years. Glad he has realized it's QB play, and not needing to be ranked #1 but a higher than avg OL will work
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also
Sure doesn't.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course. Only you'd think a tier 1 anything transcends everything else. You need both.
So no amount of devotion to the OL could've helped Jimmy win a SB.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:see the spin now.. "you need both" ..boy was he harping the opposite the last 7 years. Glad he has realized it's QB play, and not needing to be ranked #1 but a higher than avg OL will work
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also
Sure doesn't.
Originally posted by NCommand:now nothing could have helped jimmy... interesting
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course. Only you'd think a tier 1 anything transcends everything else. You need both.
So no amount of devotion to the OL could've helped Jimmy win a SB.
If you are the worst QB ever in the 4Q, probably not. Maaaaaaybe it could have helped more in the beginning of the game (no INT, knock down passes, spearing, etc.). But Jimmy did what Jimmy does and there's not a lot that can help at that point.
