49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also

Sure doesn't.

see the spin now.. "you need both" ..boy was he harping the opposite the last 7 years. Glad he has realized it's QB play, and not needing to be ranked #1 but a higher than avg OL will work

My God you're dense. I've been saying this for years. Quit trolling.

While recently you have been saying this because you've been proved incorrect, before you weren't saying this as early as 2022

It's simple. There comes a time in a game where the qb must make a play. And he needs protection good enough to give him that opportunity.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also

Sure doesn't.

see the spin now.. "you need both" ..boy was he harping the opposite the last 7 years. Glad he has realized it's QB play, and not needing to be ranked #1 but a higher than avg OL will work

My God you're dense. I've been saying this for years. Quit trolling.

While recently you have been saying this because you've been proved incorrect, before you weren't saying this as early as 2022

I'm sure, who's been proven correct? LOL.

Hint: Not the good enough crew.

Maybe year 7 you'll find an outlier.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
looks like tier 1 OL doesn't transcend QBs also

Sure doesn't.

see the spin now.. "you need both" ..boy was he harping the opposite the last 7 years. Glad he has realized it's QB play, and not needing to be ranked #1 but a higher than avg OL will work

My God you're dense. I've been saying this for years. Quit trolling.

While recently you have been saying this because you've been proved incorrect, before you weren't saying this as early as 2022

I'm sure, who's been proven correct? LOL.

Hint: Not the good enough crew.

Maybe year 7 you'll find an outlier.

so you said we need both for 7 years ?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

i got a feeling if we had phillies OL, those false starts would actually be false starts

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

i got a feeling if we had phillies OL, those false starts would actually be false starts

Yeah that's a mystery to everyone. Same as Bosa being held almost every snap and it's hardly ever called.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

No matter how good an O line is and no matter how much time they give their QB, it doesn't mean much if that QB cannot read coverages post snap and throw with anticipation.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

3 sacks vs 1 sack

The difference could be the offensive system. Kyle's system is the short passing game whereas I don't think Jalen Hurtz and Siriani's offense is the same. Eagles are more run heavy and more long ball in the passing department.

Having said that, the Eagles DLine test was passed by the 49ers OLine. It's a relatively young 49er OLine, that can and should get better in the years following this year. They should get at OT in the draft - for Trent - to keep that OLine young, but overall, this was a big step forward for the 49ers OLine. I dunno, but to me Burford looks bigger than he did at the beginning of the year, for some reason.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

It was a lot of Hurts moving around. Not just straight drop backs standing in the pocket.

Did anyone else notice last night that on almost every passing play Lane Johnson had a false start, jumped early, and was too far off the line of scrimmage? I thought that for the tackles their helmet needs to be at the belt line of the center.