49ers Offensive Line

No matter how well eagles o line pass protected last night, they couldn't open up a running lane to save their lives.

Originally posted by RDPiper73:
Did anyone else notice last night that on almost every passing play Lane Johnson had a false start, jumped early, and was too far off the line of scrimmage? I thought that for the tackles their helmet needs to be at the belt line of the center.

Oh it's well documented that he's always false starting.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

Agree, this would be my basic draft strategy as well. For a couple of reasons. (1) we are going to lose some of our super stars - *possibly* Aiyuk, Jauan, Chase Young etc... (2) Brock's improving mastery of the Kyle Shanahan short passing game and that CMC and Deebo are relatively young. I think a great OLine is cheaper than a bunch of all stars. If we get a good 2nd or 3rd rounder to replace Aiyuk and Jauan (again, we should keep them if we can - I defer to AB81 on this) this would be cheaper than paying Aiyuk and Jauan all-pro level salary. For example Jordan Mailata is averaging 7 million a year whereas a super star like Deebo is averaging 13 million a year. (3) Kyle is great at finding good running backs from nowhere university, so a good strong run game plus Brock's insane accuracy and mastery of Kyle's passing game, plus a great OLine and good (not great) Wr's might be a cheaper cap situation in the long run vs trying to keep all our hall-of-fame level stars. Just a thought.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

So Brock and Dak right now? If Dak is not tier 1 then perhaps it is Brock and Hurts.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
It's simple. There comes a time in a game where the qb must make a play. And he needs protection good enough to give him that opportunity.

Agree, and at this time of Brock's young career, you'd want to start investing in the OLine so that as the OLine ages, it gets better. If an OLine can give Brock 3 seconds in the pocket on average - - that's first of all a great OLine, and second of all, a great passing advantage with Brock's skillset. Add in the run game, if the OLine can open up holes for CMC, McCaffrey and Elijah - that's one less throw that Brock has to do, and one more thing for a opposing defense to worry about and actually will add more pocket time for Brock, since the defensive line just can't tee off on Brock's passing game.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

So Brock and Dak right now? If Dak is not tier 1 then perhaps it is Brock and Hurts.

I remember ppl debating me telling me Dak isn't that good. Maybe around the time we played em. I think Dak is pretty darn good personally. He has a good situation and weapons also.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I remember ppl debating me telling me Dak isn't that good. Maybe around the time we played em. I think Dak is pretty darn good personally. He has a good situation and weapons also.

He's good for sure. Has been from the moment he became the starter. Is he a top of the league, elite guy… no.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDPiper73:
Did anyone else notice last night that on almost every passing play Lane Johnson had a false start, jumped early, and was too far off the line of scrimmage? I thought that for the tackles their helmet needs to be at the belt line of the center.

Oh it's well documented that he's always false starting.

Also was bear hugging Bosa very often

What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

No matter how good an O line is and no matter how much time they give their QB, it doesn't mean much if that QB cannot read coverages post snap and throw with anticipation.

Exactly. I've never been too impressed with Hurts. He's a "system QB."

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

So Brock and Dak right now? If Dak is not tier 1 then perhaps it is Brock and Hurts.

This is just me but I'd put Brock in tier 1 and Hurts and Dak in tier 2. But again, that's just me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

So Brock and Dak right now? If Dak is not tier 1 then perhaps it is Brock and Hurts.

This is just me but I'd put Brock in tier 1 and Hurts and Dak in tier 2. But again, that's just me.

Brock behind a Tier 1 OLine, CMC, *and* two Ronnie Bells and two Jauan Jennings to throw to and he'll cook defenses.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

No matter how good an O line is and no matter how much time they give their QB, it doesn't mean much if that QB cannot read coverages post snap and throw with anticipation.

Exactly. I've never been too impressed with Hurts. He's a "system QB."

I'd say he's 1.5 read and then backyard ball system QB

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
49ers O line gave up 11 pressures. Eagles O line gave up 23.

What's the TTT differential? That was by design.

The 9ers design. You have to be disciplined against an elite running qb

Should have same gameplan for Kyler and Lamar.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's enough time to order pizza, tie your shoes, call a relative, etc.

On the flip side, Brock had his usual 2.5s game rendering the PP as moot as possible.

Brock >>>>>>>>> Hurts

You give Brock an OL that can hold in PP for 4.62s he'll score 80 on you.

That won't happen for Brock because no one will be as concerned with him running.

When your entire rush strategy is power and contain it actually makes the OL job real easy.

Brock had an average of 3.12 seconds before being pressured. But that is actually more than enough time for Brock to deliver that pizza.

Haha. In 3s, Brock can make the pizza too. He's tier 1 at processing.

IMO aside the obvious about Brock's processing vs most other qb's, that all shows how coaching and scheme matters as well.

Hurts had some drop backs where he had massive time, but couldn't find anyone and they were all deep. That's obviously kudos to our coverage, but they certainly don't scheme shorter routes open for hurts like Kyle does.

This is why I said could you imagine Purdy behind a line like the eagles. Ooof I'm telling you bro they are going to start building up the line. He will want to protect Purdy at all costs and knows this kid will eat defenses alive with more time.

If an O line can hold up for 3.0 seconds, than they have done their job.

Some snaps the eagles held up for 6. Crazy. I see why they're usually in every game.

No matter how good an O line is and no matter how much time they give their QB, it doesn't mean much if that QB cannot read coverages post snap and throw with anticipation.

Exactly. I've never been too impressed with Hurts. He's a "system QB."

I'd say he's 1.5 read and then backyard ball system QB

I like it!

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.