49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

Purdy with an improved oline will have him going Super Saiyin. His passing yards will be:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

I do agree with you there! LOL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

Purdy with an improved oline will have him going Super Saiyin. His passing yards will be:

or Purdy gets bored being back there so long he forgets the play

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Right, just watching the game live he was consistently leaving the pocket as the result of pressure or his own doing. I feel like a lot of their offense is read options/RPOs and that Seattle backyard football s**t (extending plays and chucking it downfield).

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
What was Jalen's TTT last night or what ever the stat is that says how long it was taking the pressure to arrive.

Courtesy of YAC via PFF, 4.62s and 3.12s for Brock.

that philly OL still aint good enough to transcend their QB lol

Purdy with an improved oline will have him going Super Saiyin. His passing yards will be:

Agree, and I don't think they are far from it either. Get a Trent Williams 2.0 and a Jordan Miylata 2.0 for left and right tackles and keep the interior (Banks, Brendel, Burford) and you'll basically have it. Easier said than done, of course, but it's not like they have to use five first round picks on the OLine to get there.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

If another supposed "tier 1" develops during a season when there are already 3,...he by default bumps one of the other 3 down to tier 2.

Lol....this is what you just said without saying it. And it is 100% illogical, as these players compete against defenses,...not each other.

2014...anyone? All of these guys were pretty much in their prime and had threw for over 4,000 yards this season. Defenses were TORCHED this year:



Doesn't even include the Russell Wilson that gave us FITS and was fresh off a SB Victory during this season.

Dude has also said Jimmy G was a Tier 2 QB during his time here,...lol. Well,...look @ the list of "Tier 2" HOF QBs that he put Jimmy on par with by saying this.

How in the HECK does someone suggest there can only be 2 or 3 "tier 1" QBs and get away with it here?

Guys,...do we even football?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Right, just watching the game live he was consistently leaving the pocket as the result of pressure or his own doing. I feel like a lot of their offense is read options/RPOs and that Seattle backyard football s**t (extending plays and chucking it downfield).

I saw Jalen hanging in the pocket for long stretches of time and only bailing when pressure finally got to him. He was pressured on 32 dropbacks but only had 2 scrambles when he was pressured. The eagles were trying so hard to beat us over the top. I guess they forgot we were the best in the league defensively in that area.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Right, just watching the game live he was consistently leaving the pocket as the result of pressure or his own doing. I feel like a lot of their offense is read options/RPOs and that Seattle backyard football s**t (extending plays and chucking it downfield).

I couldn't agree more. I can't tell you how many times he didn't need to take off left or right but he did and I don't know if it worked out once. He could have easily stayed in the pocket and gone through his progressions until someone opened up. He really has never impressed me. Not that he's not talented but he's not a pure QB with athleticism to me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Right, just watching the game live he was consistently leaving the pocket as the result of pressure or his own doing. I feel like a lot of their offense is read options/RPOs and that Seattle backyard football s**t (extending plays and chucking it downfield).

I couldn't agree more. I can't tell you how many times he didn't need to take off left or right but he did and I don't know if it worked out once. He could have easily stayed in the pocket and gone through his progressions until someone opened up. He really has never impressed me. Not that he's not talented but he's not a pure QB with athleticism to me.

It took a pretty good 49er defense to - possibly - expose that side of Hurt's game, or lack thereof. Hope that helps Dallas beat the socks off them.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

If another supposed "tier 1" develops during a season when there are already 3,...he by default bumps one of the other 3 down to tier 2.

Lol....this is what you just said without saying it. And it is 100% illogical, as these players compete against defenses,...not each other.

2014...anyone? All of these guys were pretty much in their prime and had threw for over 4,000 yards this season. Defenses were TORCHED this year:



Doesn't even include the Russell Wilson that gave us FITS and was fresh off a SB Victory during this season.

Dude has also said Jimmy G was a Tier 2 QB during his time here,...lol. Well,...look @ the list of "Tier 2" HOF QBs that he put Jimmy on par with by saying this.

How in the HECK does someone suggest there can only be 2 or 3 "tier 1" QBs and get away with it here?

Guys,...do we even football?

We all know that when it support his so call theory, he would have no problem arguing that there are ten plus tier 1 QBs.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You think Hurts played like a tier 1 QB?

Entering this week he was like 4th in the MVP betting odds. He can be a tier 1 QB depending on your definition.

He's had nice stretches and has been battle tested and clutch but nothing about any of his numbers this year especially, should have him in MVP talks especially when you dive into the metrics.

Top 4 in the MVP betting odds is what it is.

That speaks more to the pour class than anything. It's Brock and then a big drop off IMHO.

So are you arguing that there is only 1 top tier QB in the NFL? and that sole top tier QB is Brock?

Odds have to include the top 3-4 players. But yes, in the NFC, without question. Nobody is in Brock's league right now. The others are tier 2, IMHO.

We were talking about the whole NFL. Why are you talking NFC only all of a sudden? Jalen Hurt is actually now top 3 in the MVP odds ahead of Maholmes, Tua, Lamar and etc.

I was talking the NFC from the graph yesterday. Brock was like 3rd or 4th which is nuts up against Hurts, Dak, etc.

You haven't answer the question. What is your definition of a tier 1 QB? How many tier 1 QBs are there in any given time?

2-3 tops.

If another supposed "tier 1" develops during a season when there are already 3,...he by default bumps one of the other 3 down to tier 2.

Lol....this is what you just said without saying it. And it is 100% illogical, as these players compete against defenses,...not each other.

2014...anyone? All of these guys were pretty much in their prime and had threw for over 4,000 yards this season. Defenses were TORCHED this year:



Doesn't even include the Russell Wilson that gave us FITS and was fresh off a SB Victory during this season.

Dude has also said Jimmy G was a Tier 2 QB during his time here,...lol. Well,...look @ the list of "Tier 2" HOF QBs that he put Jimmy on par with by saying this.

How in the HECK does someone suggest there can only be 2 or 3 "tier 1" QBs and get away with it here?

Guys,...do we even football?

We all know that when it support his so call theory, he would have no problem arguing that there are ten plus tier 1 QBs.

Yeah, when you get off Madden and have actual football standards, you don't have 75 guys in tier 1. At most, 2-3 make that tier. Just like BT has 2 tier 1 OL and 3 Tier 1 DL. If you want to grade like a pre school teacher, by all means.

Do YOU think Hurts and Dak are tier 1 QB's. You must to still be obsessing over this topic.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And TTT has little to do with OL play. That's on the QB, play calling and the receivers.

Which is why you watch the film and see if Hurts was not seeing things or were the receivers not open.

Is there a stat that says how long it was taking before initial pressures arrived? Doesn't TTT just tell you how long before the QB passed?