49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I'm still hoping for an OLIne heavy draft for us.

Ditto, and logically speaking there is no reason not to. The team is absolutely STACKED at nearly every other position. I wouldn't be disappointed to see the entire draft focus on OL and DB.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I'm still hoping for an OLIne heavy draft for us.

Ditto, and logically speaking there is no reason not to. The team is absolutely STACKED at nearly every other position. I wouldn't be disappointed to see the entire draft focus on OL and DB.

I don't know about the entire draft but I'd like to see at least 4 OLine guys and 2-3 DB's.

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Feliciano has played very well and Mckivitz has played way better with Feliciano next to him. Burford is not starting material at this point. Same thing last year while splitting time.

You kinda wonder about Burford's durability and/or whether there is a big drop off in his performance when he is not 100% He is young so he probably needs another year or two to develop. Bank is 26 and Burford is 23.

He's had some minor ding's this season, that could be affecting his play. I can agree with that. Bank's is definitely young and it's his 2nd year as a regular starting player so maybe there is some sophomore drop off (in a sense). I think Deebo and Aiyuk had some sort of similar sophomore slumps.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I don't know about the entire draft but I'd like to see at least 4 OLine guys and 2-3 DB's.

I don't know that the quality of either class in totality merits 7 picks. 5 perhaps.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
did two Tier 1 Olines lose this week

Yes! Maybe Detroit moves back into tier 1 now. Ha.

I had Jags O line at tier 1 until they lost their starting LT. Amazing how that LT position makes all the difference in the world.

That's an understatement!

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I'm still hoping for an OLIne heavy draft for us.

Ditto, and logically speaking there is no reason not to. The team is absolutely STACKED at nearly every other position. I wouldn't be disappointed to see the entire draft focus on OL and DB.

Agree 💯%, and the offseason will be interesting. How to keep both Aiyuk and Chase (for example) and that's Cap mathematics that only a Genius like Paarag can figure out. So, I think the draft will be key for that offensive line (like you said) and if we do lose Aiyuk, we'll have to draft his replacement.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I had Jags O line at tier 1 until they lost their starting LT. Amazing how that LT position makes all the difference in the world.

Its almost as if teams don't have depth or something.

That is true.

True but you could say that about any position outside the starters...esp. for an OL which needs 5+ starters. We just saw our IDL get stomped and Lynch has spent a gazillion dollars and resources on that DL for 7 years.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
did two Tier 1 Olines lose this week

Yes! Maybe Detroit moves back into tier 1 now. Ha.

Question, so if BP is doing it at a high level, and this is causing us to tier jump on OL, even tho it's the same OL that was tier 2-3, does this not invalidate the very tiers to begin with? is this what we would say, is happening?

I wouldn't say their OL tiers are QB-driven. The OL itself has been climbing steadily all year and finding different combinations of players via injuries. Remember, we started at the low 20's mostly because 4 of the 5 starters were unknowns. As more film has been available, they've been adjusted accordingly.

Same concept with DL. They don't have our DL at #2 (tier 1) because of great LB play.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
did two Tier 1 Olines lose this week

Yes! Maybe Detroit moves back into tier 1 now. Ha.

Question, so if BP is doing it at a high level, and this is causing us to tier jump on OL, even tho it's the same OL that was tier 2-3, does this not invalidate the very tiers to begin with? is this what we would say, is happening?

I wouldn't say their OL tiers are QB-driven. The OL itself has been climbing steadily all year and finding different combinations of players via injuries. Remember, we started at the low 20's mostly because 4 of the 5 starters were unknowns. As more film has been available, they've been adjusted accordingly.

Same concept with DL. They don't have our DL at #2 (tier 1) because of great LB play.

I also don't think the concept of Tier's adequately describes the individual offensive line players. But it does capture the essence of Offensive LIne play in general. The unique thing about the OLine is that they play as a unit, vs the WR's, DLine or RB's who play more as individuals. Hence, Tiers does describe in a brief nutshell the way how an offensive line plays well *together.*

Getting burford out of the lineup has let purdy cook like never before. Offense went from streaky to a juggernaut just by getting burfords spot upgraded to mediocre from terrible when he was playing in there.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
did two Tier 1 Olines lose this week

Yes! Maybe Detroit moves back into tier 1 now. Ha.

Question, so if BP is doing it at a high level, and this is causing us to tier jump on OL, even tho it's the same OL that was tier 2-3, does this not invalidate the very tiers to begin with? is this what we would say, is happening?

I wouldn't say their OL tiers are QB-driven. The OL itself has been climbing steadily all year and finding different combinations of players via injuries. Remember, we started at the low 20's mostly because 4 of the 5 starters were unknowns. As more film has been available, they've been adjusted accordingly.

Same concept with DL. They don't have our DL at #2 (tier 1) because of great LB play.

I also don't think the concept of Tier's adequately describes the individual offensive line players. But it does capture the essence of Offensive LIne play in general. The unique thing about the OLine is that they play as a unit, vs the WR's, DLine or RB's who play more as individuals. Hence, Tiers does describe in a brief nutshell the way how an offensive line plays well *together.*

Definitely. They're mostly done with "talent" in mind. When you read their descriptions, more often than not, they are looking at the individual talent first and then collectively how they play together.

For instance, you look at our indiviidual DL talent in Bosa, Chase, Hargrave, Gregory, Armstead, etc. you'd have to say this is a tier 1 unit on talent alone. And then you watch how they play together and there's no denying it. But does that mean they always play like a tier 1 DL? Of course not. But usually talent wins in the end.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I had Jags O line at tier 1 until they lost their starting LT. Amazing how that LT position makes all the difference in the world.

Its almost as if teams don't have depth or something.

That is true.

True but you could say that about any position outside the starters...esp. for an OL which needs 5+ starters. We just saw our IDL get stomped and Lynch has spent a gazillion dollars and resources on that DL for 7 years.

Exactly the argument I was making in the off season when people on here were complaining about depth on the O line. No one really has quality depth outside of a couple of position groups. The O line is one of the most depth depleted position groups around the league.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wouldn't say their OL tiers are QB-driven. The OL itself has been climbing steadily all year and finding different combinations of players via injuries. Remember, we started at the low 20's mostly because 4 of the 5 starters were unknowns. As more film has been available, they've been adjusted accordingly.

Same concept with DL. They don't have our DL at #2 (tier 1) because of great LB play.

Brendel should have been a known, he played over 1000 snaps last season

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly the argument I was making in the off season when people on here were complaining about depth on the O line. No one really has quality depth outside of a couple of position groups. The O line is one of the most depth depleted position groups around the league.

Its the same argument that was made ad nauseum on here for years.

Love to add one of the nice centers in the draft...Powers Johnson from Oregon, Frazier from West Virginia, or Van Pran from Georgia. Anyone have a feel for which one would be the best fit?