49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
did two Tier 1 Olines lose this week

Yes! Maybe Detroit moves back into tier 1 now. Ha.

Question, so if BP is doing it at a high level, and this is causing us to tier jump on OL, even tho it's the same OL that was tier 2-3, does this not invalidate the very tiers to begin with? is this what we would say, is happening?

I wouldn't say their OL tiers are QB-driven. The OL itself has been climbing steadily all year and finding different combinations of players via injuries. Remember, we started at the low 20's mostly because 4 of the 5 starters were unknowns. As more film has been available, they've been adjusted accordingly.

Same concept with DL. They don't have our DL at #2 (tier 1) because of great LB play.

I also don't think the concept of Tier's adequately describes the individual offensive line players. But it does capture the essence of Offensive LIne play in general. The unique thing about the OLine is that they play as a unit, vs the WR's, DLine or RB's who play more as individuals. Hence, Tiers does describe in a brief nutshell the way how an offensive line plays well *together.*

Definitely. They're mostly done with "talent" in mind. When you read their descriptions, more often than not, they are looking at the individual talent first and then collectively how they play together.

For instance, you look at our indiviidual DL talent in Bosa, Chase, Hargrave, Gregory, Armstead, etc. you'd have to say this is a tier 1 unit on talent alone. And then you watch how they play together and there's no denying it. But does that mean they always play like a tier 1 DL? Of course not. But usually talent wins in the end.

Agree, and it's a *team game* and I do think you have to look at the QB and the OLine together. One reason Brock is gunning for an MVP is that this OLIne has gelled well as we have gone deep into the season. Feliciano was a gem that they found in free agency and he's solidified the right side of the line, in a sense.

Compare that to Jalen Hurts, who needs a hall of fame OLine to perform his job. Hurts needs 10 seconds to find his open guy, whereas Purdy needs only a second or two, to do it. Or Lamar Jackson, who's offensive system isn't far removed from the Roman Offense of run run pass. They need big huge offensive line dudes to gap block for Lamar because he's so athletic and can run.

O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and it's a *team game* and I do think you have to look at the QB and the OLine together. One reason Brock is gunning for an MVP is that this OLIne has gelled well as we have gone deep into the season. Feliciano was a gem that they found in free agency and he's solidified the right side of the line, in a sense.

Compare that to Jalen Hurts, who needs a hall of fame OLine to perform his job. Hurts needs 10 seconds to find his open guy, whereas Purdy needs only a second or two, to do it. Or Lamar Jackson, who's offensive system isn't far removed from the Roman Offense of run run pass. They need big huge offensive line dudes to gap block for Lamar because he's so athletic and can run.

Yes. Everything is interconnected on this O. The line gives Purdy that first couple of seconds, and in return he offloads the ball really quickly. If it is a pass play and it is breaking down, McCaffrey or Kittle/Juice make themselves available for a short emergency dump-off. Where necessary the wide receivers or tight ends move back quickly to help Purdy with a new target. And behind them all Shanahan is busy designing plays to bring out the best in them and, on occasion, to capitalise on previously observed weaknesses in the D. I have to say, this year the O has been a thing of beauty.

As the thread is about the O line, Feliciano has been the big surprise. Banks is developing into a fine guard and TW continues to play at a very high level. Brendel and McKivitz have been reasonable. Hopefully John Lynch is prioritising the line for further work next year. Thumbs up to Foerster for standards in general but holding my breath regarding depth across the line.

Colton has been a stud in RBLK the past couple weeks. It really looks like Burford has been the real weak link on the OL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Colton has been a stud in RBLK the past couple weeks. It really looks like Burford has been the real weak link on the OL

No doubt. Been a lot less of Colton going inside to help then trying to pop back outside to block. If he can just work on not getting his hands swiped he can be a solid player.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Colton has been a stud in RBLK the past couple weeks. It really looks like Burford has been the real weak link on the OL

That veteran next to CM has really helped a lot.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Can we repeat week 4, please? Ha. That's wildly consistent in pressures. And as you noted, that's with Brock increasing his 2.82 TTT (NextGen) to middle of the league.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Can we repeat week 4, please? Ha. That's wildly consistent in pressures. And as you noted, that's with Brock increasing his 2.82 TTT (NextGen) to middle of the league.

Yes. The TTP has increased significantly since week 10. So the improvement is certainly there.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Can we repeat week 4, please? Ha. That's wildly consistent in pressures. And as you noted, that's with Brock increasing his 2.82 TTT (NextGen) to middle of the league.

Yes. The TTP has increased significantly since week 10. So the improvement is certainly there.

That's allowed Kyle to throw to set up the run more. I imagine this game will be another great test of that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Can we repeat week 4, please? Ha. That's wildly consistent in pressures. And as you noted, that's with Brock increasing his 2.82 TTT (NextGen) to middle of the league.

Yes. The TTP has increased significantly since week 10. So the improvement is certainly there.

That's allowed Kyle to throw to set up the run more. I imagine this game will be another great test of that.

Having a QB who can and will throw to all levels of the field has allowed Kyle to throw to setup the run as well. It is certainly a breath of fresh air to not be 1 dimensional which opens up the whole playbook and doesn't allow defenses to key in on what we are doing.

The difference in TTP could also be because defenses have finally realized after Brock killing them repeatedly that it is a mistake to keep blitzing him relentlessly.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and it's a *team game* and I do think you have to look at the QB and the OLine together. One reason Brock is gunning for an MVP is that this OLIne has gelled well as we have gone deep into the season. Feliciano was a gem that they found in free agency and he's solidified the right side of the line, in a sense.

Compare that to Jalen Hurts, who needs a hall of fame OLine to perform his job. Hurts needs 10 seconds to find his open guy, whereas Purdy needs only a second or two, to do it. Or Lamar Jackson, who's offensive system isn't far removed from the Roman Offense of run run pass. They need big huge offensive line dudes to gap block for Lamar because he's so athletic and can run.

Yes. Everything is interconnected on this O. The line gives Purdy that first couple of seconds, and in return he offloads the ball really quickly. If it is a pass play and it is breaking down, McCaffrey or Kittle/Juice make themselves available for a short emergency dump-off. Where necessary the wide receivers or tight ends move back quickly to help Purdy with a new target. And behind them all Shanahan is busy designing plays to bring out the best in them and, on occasion, to capitalise on previously observed weaknesses in the D. I have to say, this year the O has been a thing of beauty.

As the thread is about the O line, Feliciano has been the big surprise. Banks is developing into a fine guard and TW continues to play at a very high level. Brendel and McKivitz have been reasonable. Hopefully John Lynch is prioritising the line for further work next year. Thumbs up to Foerster for standards in general but holding my breath regarding depth across the line.

If I had my choice of Offensive Line players for next year - I'd love to have Feliciano take over Center, and draft an offensive tackle and Guard to challenge McKivitz and challenge Burford. Zakelj will be coming back from injury, and I hope he'll develop and be added to the mix also. I really would like to see Latu and Brayden to develop and be Kittle's understudies. I think a three tight end set with bigger OLinemen and Jordan Mason is a really tough 4 minute offense to stop - specially with Brock's insane accuracy.

Joe Alt is something the Draft Nerds are looking at for the 49ers - apparently he's a sure first rounder, but might fall in next years draft.

Joe Alt (Height: 6-7. Weight: 317) has extended his starting streak in 2023 and has played well. He is big with long arms, has good strength in the upper body, uses his hands well, and utilizes good technique. Alt has been consistent and productive throughout his college career. However, he has issues with his anchor because he is stiff and doesn't bend well. That lack of bend is a challenging issue given how tall Alt is. Alt could be a Mike McGlinchey-type tackle in the NFL, and he is a safe pick to turn into a good pro starter.
9/1/23: Alt broke into the starting lineup at left tackle as a freshman and has started 21 straight contests on the blind side. Alt started out his career playing some tight end for the Notre Dame before settling in at left tackle. He has good size and length to block on the edge. Handling speed rushers and playing with good leverage will be points of emphasis for Alt as a senior.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
O line pressures allowed and average time to pressure by the week.

14- 3.23
5- 2.68
10- 2.56
3- 3.47
9- 2.83
13- 3.05
10- 3.39
11- 3.69
9- 3.53
13- 3.20
11- 3.34
11- 3.12
10- 3.19
9- 3.25

Can we repeat week 4, please? Ha. That's wildly consistent in pressures. And as you noted, that's with Brock increasing his 2.82 TTT (NextGen) to middle of the league.

Yes. The TTP has increased significantly since week 10. So the improvement is certainly there.

That's allowed Kyle to throw to set up the run more. I imagine this game will be another great test of that.

One reason that Kyle would go with Pass to set up the run is those insanely difficult choice/option routes between CMC/Deebo and Brock (for example). If the defense goes Man, they do this, if the Defense goes zone, they do that. I remember Aaron and his WR's, they were once unstoppable, no matter what coverages that the defense threw at him, he defeated them. If your passing offense is that dominant, then the run is just a way to make sure the defense doesn't go zone blitz or rush 4, drop 7 kinds of defenses. McCarthy was that kind of an offensive coach which treated the run as an afterthought. Not Kyle though. I'm pretty sure he'll get another CMC if CMC ever retires.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Having a QB who can and will throw to all levels of the field has allowed Kyle to throw to setup the run as well. It is certainly a breath of fresh air to not be 1 dimensional which opens up the whole playbook and doesn't allow defenses to key in on what we are doing.

That is the difference. One that was also argued ad nauseum.

There will be a quality OT available in the 30s. Let the draft come to you this year.