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Dec 23, 2023 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? I've never seen you provide more than a sentence or two based on your narrative. Please provide again. I'll wait.

As to the last point, providing a reference is NOT my opinion. It's a resource for you to do what you will with it.

You are lying here, FWIW. You have based your opinion of who the top OLines are on his or elsewhere countless times.

Over and over again you have stated this stuff and taken it as your own opinion.

"They are Tier 1"

vs.

"per BT they are Tier 1"
or
"BT thinks they are Tier 1"


The former is completely different than providing a reference.

And let's not let anybody here be lost on the fact that all of this stuff gets quiet when we're winning. It should be even louder when we are winning,...not quieter. But it's all about a person's motives, I guess?
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 23, 2023 at 11:43 AM ]
Dec 23, 2023 at 2:37 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
"The list is fluid" - Stephen A

Bingo. But I can't stand that dude. Ha
the list is fluid now ?

i doubt you believed that before lol

It literally changes "weekly." Hence, why YOU continue to dismiss it...b/c you never looked at it.

Maybe once both are #1 in tier 1, then you'll approve of their expertise? Probably not.
Dec 23, 2023 at 2:40 PM
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
continuing to cite sources that one doesnt even read or understand as the foundation of ones argument is next level pathetic.

Yet a webzone staple all the same.

Imagine b***hing about a specialty site that has us ranked #5 in OL and #6 in DL (simply because our 2 best DT's were currently injured). "Whiners" is right.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 23, 2023 at 2:40 PM ]
Dec 23, 2023 at 3:02 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
yeah, you replied with your normal insults.. you know your normal self.. like what you are doing here when you get caught in a corner. if you can't hold any data retention, it's when i brought up what separates us vs Philly since actual results that i listed are not what's being used

plus, just cause you say you know what it means doesn't really mean you know.

but like i said earlier, Either way we already know you don't need a tier 1 to win

No insults. I've never seen you provide some kind of analysis. I'm still waiting for it.

As to your last point, every week is fluid, affected by injuries, personnel changes, performance, matchups, additional film, talent growth/decline, etc.

Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 23, 2023 at 3:03 PM ]
Dec 23, 2023 at 3:04 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
"The list is fluid" - Stephen A

Bingo. But I can't stand that dude. Ha
the list is fluid now ?

i doubt you believed that before lol

It literally changes "weekly." Hence, why YOU continue to dismiss it...b/c you never looked at it.

Maybe once both are #1 in tier 1, then you'll approve of their expertise? Probably not.

I actually looked and yes you are right, they change the evaluations on a week by week basis. I also found some of his past twitter evaluations of Burford. He's still high on Burford. He's a pretty good resource for the OLine, in my opinion.

Dec 23, 2023 at 3:37 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.

I guess what you're saying is playing well going into the playoffs is important.

Okay. Thanks.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 23, 2023 at 3:37 PM ]
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:11 PM
So it's nothing but a weekly power ranking. Yet somehow pointing to who his week 18 leader at OL will suddenly become the factual barometer on who wins the SB.

Again the #1 D line in the league got its sh*t pushed in to the tune of 200+ yards rushing to one guy. I don't see how that doesn't merit a drop.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:13 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
No insults. I've never seen you provide some kind of analysis. I'm still waiting for it.

As to your last point, every week is fluid, affected by injuries, personnel changes, performance, matchups, additional film, talent growth/decline, etc.

Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.

It's fluid weekly until the week 18 one then it's ironclad fact and a barometer of the next champion.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:15 PM
Originally posted by random49er:
I guess what you're saying is playing well going into the playoffs is important.

Okay. Thanks.

I mean I don't see giving up 200 yards to James Cook as "playing well".

Must be a SME thing.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:48 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
"The list is fluid" - Stephen A

Bingo. But I can't stand that dude. Ha
the list is fluid now ?

i doubt you believed that before lol

It literally changes "weekly." Hence, why YOU continue to dismiss it...b/c you never looked at it.

Maybe once both are #1 in tier 1, then you'll approve of their expertise? Probably not.

I actually looked and yes you are right, they change the evaluations on a week by week basis. I also found some of his past twitter evaluations of Burford. He's still high on Burford. He's a pretty good resource for the OLine, in my opinion.


Burford has legit talent. No doubt. It's in-between the ears with scheme and consistency which are his issues. I wouldn't give up on him but right now the veteran is a better player.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:51 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
No insults. I've never seen you provide some kind of analysis. I'm still waiting for it.

As to your last point, every week is fluid, affected by injuries, personnel changes, performance, matchups, additional film, talent growth/decline, etc.

Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.

It's fluid weekly until the week 18 one then it's ironclad fact and a barometer of the next champion.

No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:53 PM
Do we think Feleciano starts again with Burford healthy to play ?
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:55 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So it's nothing but a weekly power ranking. Yet somehow pointing to who his week 18 leader at OL will suddenly become the factual barometer on who wins the SB.

Again the #1 D line in the league got its sh*t pushed in to the tune of 200+ yards rushing to one guy. I don't see how that doesn't merit a drop.

Literally, nothing different than any other position group like QB's. Except this isn't something lame like ESPN.
Dec 23, 2023 at 4:56 PM
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Do we think Feleciano starts again with Burford healthy to play ?

No doubt about it. Don't mess with chemistry and I think having a veteran next to McKivitz is a huge help.
Dec 23, 2023 at 5:00 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.
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