49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Literally, nothing different than any other position group like QB's. Except this isn't something lame like ESPN.

I think it's lame to drop a team from Tier 1 one week and put them back there the very next week. This is not a go-to. It's a subscription.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No insults. I've never seen you provide some kind of analysis. I'm still waiting for it.

As to your last point, every week is fluid, affected by injuries, personnel changes, performance, matchups, additional film, talent growth/decline, etc.

Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.

It's fluid weekly until the week 18 one then it's ironclad fact and a barometer of the next champion.

No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

So why did you pigeon hole yourself to preseason rankings, when at the end of the year those teams you bet on could possibly fall from tier 1. Which you would lose your bet?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Do we think Feleciano starts again with Burford healthy to play ?

No doubt about it. Don't mess with chemistry and I think having a veteran next to McKivitz is a huge help.

Agree, and I think the difference is the experience of Feliciano vs the experience of Burford. The right side of the line has broken down - not physically, but more mentally, with miscommunications on those blitzes and stunts. But I did see the OLine get blown up physically on occasion - again it usually happens from the center on to the right. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No insults. I've never seen you provide some kind of analysis. I'm still waiting for it.

As to your last point, every week is fluid, affected by injuries, personnel changes, performance, matchups, additional film, talent growth/decline, etc.

Like I've said numerous times, it's very rare for a team to be ranked the same throughout an entire season, start to finish That actually happened last year. That's why I always specify the tier 1 going into the playoffs + QB playing at that level too.

It's fluid weekly until the week 18 one then it's ironclad fact and a barometer of the next champion.

No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

So why did you pigeon hole yourself to preseason rankings, when at the end of the year those teams you bet on could possibly fall from tier 1. Which you would lose your bet?

Because the teams that ended up winning did come from that group for the past 7 years. I told Smokey there's a good chance the teams that were in tier 1 at the time of the bet were unlikely to be the same 2 teams at the end of the season. He understood but it's just a friendly bet so no big deal.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Gotcha. But per TW, that's where they stand today. #5, tier 2.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Gotcha. But per TW, that's where they stand today. #5, tier 2.

Now what if we had a QB that was playing at a lower level than Brock but the O line was still performing the same. You know with poor protection slides and free rushers. Would TW still have the 49ers O line ranked #5? How much does our team success play into those rankings?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Gotcha. But per TW, that's where they stand today. #5, tier 2.

Now what if we had a QB that was playing at a lower level than Brock but the O line was still performing the same. You know with poor protection slides and free rushers. Would TW still have the 49ers O line ranked #5? How much does our team success play into those rankings?

I think your points are valid. The playoffs have a way of exposing every weakness and to your point, it wouldn't surprise me if your concerns become a reality in the near future. Can Brock transcend that? Even playing at an MVP level?

As to the rankings, as hard as it is, I'd like to think they isolate talent, injuries, personnel changes, etc. over team success or failure but that's not always so easy to do. I get that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Gotcha. But per TW, that's where they stand today. #5, tier 2.

Now what if we had a QB that was playing at a lower level than Brock but the O line was still performing the same. You know with poor protection slides and free rushers. Would TW still have the 49ers O line ranked #5? How much does our team success play into those rankings?

I think your points are valid. The playoffs have a way of exposing every weakness and to your point, it wouldn't surprise me if your concerns become a reality in the near future. Can Brock transcend that? Even playing at an MVP level?

As to the rankings, as hard as it is, I'd like to think they isolate talent, injuries, personnel changes, etc. over team success or failure but that's not always so easy to do. I get that.

Haven't defenses tried everything to expose Brock at this point? The only time Brock was "exposed " is when he lost the best LT in football on an already mediocre O line and he still didn't completely fall apart even without a running game and no pass protection. The real test will come tomorrow night against a defense that leads the league in sacks as well as gives up the lowest yards per play. If Brock passes that test, I don't think their will be a team who can stop us from #6. Barring an injury to our holy trinity of course.

These ever-shifting OL rankings dont make any difference. Whether you include this ranking or that ranking in the future doesnt make any difference. It's just fodder.

Which,...btw...is completely fine,...so long as you aren't pretending like it should be our primary concern on here.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, he then does them for the playoffs too.

But yeah, as the weeks move down the line, the cream rises to the top and it becomes more predictable minus injuries, of course.

The the Chiefs clearly weren't a tier one OL last playoffs. They were mediocre at best.

Obviously Reid/Mahomes couldn't disagree more.

But as you're seeing the fluidity from week to week, just like with our tier 1 DL dropping to the top of tier 3 with 2 injuries, things move fast. Even then, when healthy, our DL hasn't always played at a tier 1 level either but it doesn't mean overall, they aren't. You could even say they had some mediocre games. Poor even.

As you're seeing, there's a lot of fluidity within the top 7 or so. So yes, it's very possible a team in tier 2+ can still win a Superbowl. It just hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll include tier 2 as well going forward + MVP QB.

Efficiency stats don't lie. Neither did the eye test.

Hence why you believe a tier 2+ OL + MVP QB is also a winning Superbowl combination.

Like, exactly what we have now.

I don't think they are tier 2. Its more like tier 4 + #1 LT + MVP QB + MVP RB.

Gotcha. But per TW, that's where they stand today. #5, tier 2.

Now what if we had a QB that was playing at a lower level than Brock but the O line was still performing the same. You know with poor protection slides and free rushers. Would TW still have the 49ers O line ranked #5? How much does our team success play into those rankings?

I think your points are valid. The playoffs have a way of exposing every weakness and to your point, it wouldn't surprise me if your concerns become a reality in the near future. Can Brock transcend that? Even playing at an MVP level?

As to the rankings, as hard as it is, I'd like to think they isolate talent, injuries, personnel changes, etc. over team success or failure but that's not always so easy to do. I get that.

Haven't defenses tried everything to expose Brock at this point? The only time Brock was "exposed " is when he lost the best LT in football on an already mediocre O line and he still didn't completely fall apart even without a running game and no pass protection. The real test will come tomorrow night against a defense that leads the league in sacks as well as gives up the lowest yards per play. If Brock passes that test, I don't think their will be a team who can stop us from #6. Barring an injury to our holy trinity of course.

I couldn't agree more. That's a huge reason why I believe he's the one true MVP this year. And it's not even close.

Yeah, that'll be another great test for the OL, no doubt. And even if it works against us, we may not face another team with that ability until the Superbowl anyhow. Game on.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I couldn't agree more. . . .

. . . . .until we lose.

Once we lose or game or 2,....you go shark and tell us how you have every fix in the book for this team that Shanahan simply cant recognize.