49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

#5 is the highest this OL has ever been rated by SME's in the ShanaLynch era. Just take it and run and be happy with it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I haven't said a thing about the rankings other than I could see why they have it ranked that way this week. You and 2 others have an issue with it yet never have a thing to add about why you object to it. Odd stance esp. for units in tier 1 or 2.

If only team football were that simple in the real world. Per usual, you see no other factor in an outcome. Sad. There's so much more to football esp. here where the QB has the least passing attempts in the league.

As opposed to using one dudes ranking as the determination on whether a SB can be won or lost?

If it was all about team football you wouldn't have made your bet. You did it because you believe the O line and the O line alone will be what costs this team.

Brocks play will be the main factor. Not the only factor but the main one. Elite QB play is needed THE MOST. Elite o line play is a nice to have but not essential.

You mean subject matter experts? And proven end results after 7 straight years? Yeah, sorry if in don't pivot to you and All for best combination odds.

Nope, QB + OL in combination. That's the difference. At the time of the bet, the OL was the biggest question mark on the team and we were still learning about Brock. Nobody expected him to turn into an MVP candidate nor the OL being considered in the top five by SME's this late in the season. That's incredible. We should be celebrating that. Instead, it's just another no-argument, no POV.

History shows you need both. You can't be an elite QB if your OL is s**tting the bed. That combination is critical if you want to win a SuperBowl. That's football. But yes, Brock is the most critical piece. But make no mistake about it, the OL can undo him too, no matter how great he is. Let's hope that's not the case this year.

If no SME considered how well they would be, maybe they aren't SMEs

history shows you need a good QB and good enough OL, not the best OL

I'll just add the receivers are important. If you have a good QB, good OLine but only one or two receivers, the OLine has to pass protect longer to give the fewer recivers more time to get open (example:double moves).

Because the 49ers have so many weapons, multiple recivers are open on any given play. That helps the offensive line and the OLine stats. So as long as the 49ers OLine can give Brock a good solid 2.5 seconds, with his multiple offensive weapons - he's good. On another team, same OLine, and only one or two recivers, I'm betting not so good.

So the OLine (I still think) is still a couple of steps below the top, but still its an impressive run blocking OLine. McCaffrey isn't a possible MVP without getting those run blocks from the left side. That makes the OLine rise higher in terms of tiers.

Yes, the Skill players are more of a priority. if we replaced all our skill players with #1 OL.. the offense wouldn't be they way it is today

Well - yes - what you get in terms of having more skill players is needing less O-line talent. *However* that is going to take up a lot of cap space. Kittle, Deebo, and CMC are probably being paid 15+ million a year each (I Defer to AB81 on this), a top tier O-line might be more cap friendly.

An OLine with two McKivitz on the outside OTs and three Banks on the inside, and Ronnie Bell, Dwelly, Mason, Ray Ray, Jauan Jennings (at the skill positions) - might be more sustainable from a cap perspective than Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juszczyk and CMC all together (for example).

top players paid in any position is going to take up cap space, but who would take a top paid OL vs a top paid skill player

Cap friendly OL that is above avg is what we have now, and you see the results of having a better team all around. You don't need the best OL

But you need the best skill positions? Is that your best combination? Top tier QB + Skill positions? #Madden

i see you can't comprehend.. no where did i say you need that lol

Oh you don't like it when others misrepresent what you meant?

thats the issue, no one misrepresents your statements.. you do. We just like to bring up what you have said and watch you squirm. in all good fun

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's better. Stick to your humor!

i mean, you aren't saying anything.. just repeating how wrong your are.

Wrong is something I haven't been on on this topic...for years! You? You've died on that hill for years. But that's OK. It's like a Christmas gift that just keeps on giving!

if you weren't wrong you would have more people backing you than ridicule you.. what, you got 4f6 and 9moon backing you on this.. that's quite the brain trust there lol

LOL. Hoov, Random, All, Gore??? That's an all star cast of incite, stalkers.

You can add about another 5 names to that list and at least another 10 ppl that just stopped interacting with you / have you on ignore.

Haha. Sure buddy. Back to the 24/7 you go.

Originally posted by NCommand:
#5 is the highest this OL has ever been rated by SME's in the ShanaLynch. Just take it and run and be happy with it.

Some of us don't care about a SME weekly power ranking says.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
#5 is the highest this OL has ever been rated by SME's in the ShanaLynch. Just take it and run and be happy with it.

Some of us don't care about a SME weekly power ranking says.

True, you've always been happy with the bridesmaid disorder and only seeing football through a QB lense. Some of us actually want to see #6. And that's a proven combination so why fight it and try so hard to find one outlier take? You know why? Because you know damn well we don't have that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
#5 is the highest this OL has ever been rated by SME's in the ShanaLynch. Just take it and run and be happy with it.

Some of us don't care about a SME weekly power ranking says.

Sure you do. Every person in the WZ goes nuts when Brock, CMC, our team, our DL, Kyle for COTY, Lynch for EOTY, etc. aren't considered the best and given their respect.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

I reserved judgement until week 8 but after those 3 straight losses and McKivitz getting killed starting week 1 against Pittsburgh, if someone told me in week 16 TrenchWarfare/Brandon Thorn would have us ranked in tier 2, #5 overall, I probably wouldn't have believed it.

TBF, I share YAC's hidden concerns as well. I don't necessarily fully agree with that ranking but in a year where we've seen every tier 1 OL bounce around, I can see why they'd be ranked that high right now...consistency.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

I reserved judgement until week 8 but after those 3 straight losses and McKivitz getting killed starting week 1 against Pittsburgh, if someone told me in week 16 TrenchWarfare/Brandon Thorn would have us ranked in tier 2, #5 overall, I probably wouldn't have believed it.

TBF, I share YAC's hidden concerns as well. I don't necessarily fully agree with that ranking but in a year where we've seen every tier 1 OL bounce around, I can see why they'd be ranked that high right now...consistency.

Yeah I also thought the line had to much suckage without my favorite TW, during that 3 game dark period of the season. Rankings do not tell the whole story, it's also the eye test and key moments of failure. After Watt had his way with McKivitz that was another low point in my faith. He has improved a lot and with Feliciano they look much better. Hope they keep it up today we need them.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

I reserved judgement until week 8 but after those 3 straight losses and McKivitz getting killed starting week 1 against Pittsburgh, if someone told me in week 16 TrenchWarfare/Brandon Thorn would have us ranked in tier 2, #5 overall, I probably wouldn't have believed it.

TBF, I share YAC's hidden concerns as well. I don't necessarily fully agree with that ranking but in a year where we've seen every tier 1 OL bounce around, I can see why they'd be ranked that high right now...consistency.

Yeah I also thought the line had to much suckage without my favorite TW, during that 3 game dark period of the season. Rankings do not tell the whole story, it's also the eye test and key moments of failure. After Watt had his way with McKivitz that was another low point in my faith. He has improved a lot and with Feliciano they look much better. Hope they keep it up today we need them.

Exactly! Me too!!

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

Always nice when someone can admit when they are wrong. The bold is the difference between you and NC lol
Dont worry KC is toast

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I haven't said a thing about the rankings other than I could see why they have it ranked that way this week. You and 2 others have an issue with it yet never have a thing to add about why you object to it. Odd stance esp. for units in tier 1 or 2.

If only team football were that simple in the real world. Per usual, you see no other factor in an outcome. Sad. There's so much more to football esp. here where the QB has the least passing attempts in the league.

As opposed to using one dudes ranking as the determination on whether a SB can be won or lost?

If it was all about team football you wouldn't have made your bet. You did it because you believe the O line and the O line alone will be what costs this team.

Brocks play will be the main factor. Not the only factor but the main one. Elite QB play is needed THE MOST. Elite o line play is a nice to have but not essential.

You mean subject matter experts? And proven end results after 7 straight years? Yeah, sorry if in don't pivot to you and All for best combination odds.

Nope, QB + OL in combination. That's the difference. At the time of the bet, the OL was the biggest question mark on the team and we were still learning about Brock. Nobody expected him to turn into an MVP candidate nor the OL being considered in the top five by SME's this late in the season. That's incredible. We should be celebrating that. Instead, it's just another no-argument, no POV.

History shows you need both. You can't be an elite QB if your OL is s**tting the bed. That combination is critical if you want to win a SuperBowl. That's football. But yes, Brock is the most critical piece. But make no mistake about it, the OL can undo him too, no matter how great he is. Let's hope that's not the case this year.

If no SME considered how well they would be, maybe they aren't SMEs

history shows you need a good QB and good enough OL, not the best OL

I'll just add the receivers are important. If you have a good QB, good OLine but only one or two receivers, the OLine has to pass protect longer to give the fewer recivers more time to get open (example:double moves).

Because the 49ers have so many weapons, multiple recivers are open on any given play. That helps the offensive line and the OLine stats. So as long as the 49ers OLine can give Brock a good solid 2.5 seconds, with his multiple offensive weapons - he's good. On another team, same OLine, and only one or two recivers, I'm betting not so good.

So the OLine (I still think) is still a couple of steps below the top, but still its an impressive run blocking OLine. McCaffrey isn't a possible MVP without getting those run blocks from the left side. That makes the OLine rise higher in terms of tiers.

Yes, the Skill players are more of a priority. if we replaced all our skill players with #1 OL.. the offense wouldn't be they way it is today

Maybe, then again maybe not. This offense with Jimmy, the skill players were decent to pretty good. This offense with Purdy is - historic. Pair a pretty good (say top 10 offense with a top 3 defense) and I think you can get to the playoffs year in and year out. My point is more towards when Purdy is Billionaire vs now where he's probably behind a month in his rent payment. When Purdy get's his second contract, watch out cap space, because there won't be any to sign *all the stars* we have now.

This kind of offense won with the likes of Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon, and Earl Cooper vs Rice, T.O. and Roger Craig. So I think we can lose Aiyuk (not saying they shouldn't try to sign him) but Deebo, CMC, and Kittle - might be the bare minimum for skill positions and the rest of the cap space and talent funneled to the OLine should still work offensively. Key is having a great defense to pair with a ok-to-pretty good offense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So now top 5 is ok? Thought you needed tier 1 elite 2 OL.

Easy pal easy.... no more bickering. Just enjoy our success. We need positive energy to win today

Right? MVP QB + top 5 OL = these whiners are still whining.

"But NC said..."

Haha.

deflect deflect deflect ..good spin strategy

Hey I said the O line would kill us and I was wrong. It's OK I would rather win it all then be right. I do want to have some discussion on our line play however. I'm watching Kermit start to come back and that sucks.

I reserved judgement until week 8 but after those 3 straight losses and McKivitz getting killed starting week 1 against Pittsburgh, if someone told me in week 16 TrenchWarfare/Brandon Thorn would have us ranked in tier 2, #5 overall, I probably wouldn't have believed it.

TBF, I share YAC's hidden concerns as well. I don't necessarily fully agree with that ranking but in a year where we've seen every tier 1 OL bounce around, I can see why they'd be ranked that high right now...consistency.

My concerns aren't hidden. Pass protection is one of the worst in the league when Trent isn't protecting Brock's blind side. Without Trent this run game averages less than 4 yards per carry. Without Trent, Brock and CMC, this team is fighting for the 7th seed.