49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

All good man. Glad you see the light. No point in debating with the final 2. Pride is a b***h sometimes. Ha.

Glad you guys understand football and love the niners. Your both good posters.

NC It's not over but our fears of ground hog day unfortunately are coming true. Just hoping something changes but not as optimistic as before this game.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
You are absolutely 💯 correct. When we don't draft o lineman and take other flyers on a RB or other skill positions and forget the line this is what happens. I jinxed the game saying the OLine was good after bashing it all pre season and again I was wrong. It goes back to Kyle's ego thinking he can scheme away from bad OLine play. We see time again and again when we play good physical defenses we get our asses kicked.

Unfortunately I probably will not see the niners win another Superbowl in my lifetime. This year minus the O line we had the players to win it all. I just hope we did not ruin Purdy with this O line. I have argued this over and over again.

NC is correct you need both a top o line and QB we saw what happened last night when we don't have that. Dammit I thought this may be our year.

Baltimore o line wasn't impressive at all. Lamar made everything happen out of structure for most part.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Bad news is: Trent Williams is 36, and he is for sure done. He will be announcing his retirement after this season.

On March 23, 2021, Williams signed a six-year, $138.06 million contract extension with the 49ers, making him the highest-paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

Trent Williams isn't leaving that kind of money on the table. He ain't going anywhere.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

All good man. Glad you see the light. No point in debating with the final 2. Pride is a b***h sometimes. Ha.

Glad you guys understand football and love the niners. Your both good posters.

NC It's not over but our fears of ground hog day unfortunately are coming true. Just hoping something changes but not as optimistic as before this game.

Hey, why not? It's good to be Faithful. It'll happen someday! The lessons will be learned if this isn't the year.

You NAILED it NC - the right side of the OLine is a glaring weakness. KS has been working around it all season.

We need to go heavy on OLine next draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He only sees football through a QB-lense. Even on a team that passes the least in the NFL. Unless it's Patrick Mahomes. Then it's the OL's fault for a loss. But that's the only exception an OL is included in a win/loss.

I see football through a lens where I can decipher how both the qb and ol play independent of one another. Neither were good in that game.

I just won't give Brock a pass for 3 of the picks and blame the OL for it. He was inaccurate most of the game. That was independent of the OL.

Glad you finally had a good week though. 9ers loss and injuries. How many times did you orgasm watching that?

Clearly not unless it's at a historical bad level. For Patrick Mahomes. Otherwise there is NO scenario where OL would play a factor in anything.

It was inevitable. This is reality despite a handful of you still dying on that hill year after year. Injuries? Poor pass protection when they can't stay on schedule? This is who they are and have always been no matter the QB.

That's why you need both.

Maybe now you'll finally get it...the light bulb finally comes on. Then again, pride is one of the seven sins so...

No worries though. 90+% of the time they can stay on schedule. That's a LOT of wins. It's pretty rare when a team can get us off schedule. We probably won't have to face a team that can do that again until the Superbowl.

Agree 💯%, you need both a good offensive line and a good QB for a chance at a good offensive showing. I still think QBR and all the QB stat ratings are tied to the OLine - in a sense. You can see how bad a QB's performance degrades when the OLine doesn't give him a consistent time in the pocket. Like I said, I was Royally pissed Kyle didn't get an OLine Depth pick with the Latu Pick. I'm even more pissed now. Give Purdy a good OLine - he'll make mincemeat of most defenses. This offensive line, currently, with or without Trent Williams - isn't top of the line unfortunately. It's better with Trent, for sure, but not by much.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree 💯%, you need both a good offensive line and a good QB for a chance at a good offensive showing. I still think QBR and all the QB stat ratings are tied to the OLine - in a sense. You can see how bad a QB's performance degrades when the OLine doesn't give him a consistent time in the pocket. Like I said, I was Royally pissed Kyle didn't get an OLine Depth pick with the Latu Pick. I'm even more pissed now. Give Purdy a good OLine - he'll make mincemeat of most defenses. This offensive line, currently, with or without Trent Williams - isn't top of the line unfortunately. It's better with Trent, for sure, but not by much.

Good post, that's one way to look at NFL MVP it's really a team award, for the blocking, pass catching, coaching, required to play QB on that level

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by luis1985:
The biggest failure of John is the OL. Everyone knew it was the biggest weakness but didn't address it as it should have been. Without Trent this is a bottom 5 ranked OL. Crazy.

I think it's funny that everyone on this forum says the same thing every year. We need to draft O linemen. Then the draft rolls around and everyone wants some WR or edge rusher.

Haha. There is a lot of truth to this. OL ain't sexy..

Agree, it's not sexy, but that's where (I think) 70% of the game is. The skill position players can't even get to the starting line if the OLine and DLines don't do their jobs.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:


Do you remember when Trent came over, then we had Mack for the one year. Trent said a star center is the anchor to Kyle's o-line scheme. Calling the proper protections etc.

I think any coach knows you need a great blind side tackle for your QB. But it does seem Kyle knows he needs a better center. He tired to upgrade Brendal, but nothing worked out there last offseason. However, It seems he doesn't prefer to develop young guys there. I think they're largely gone about guard well. And he bucked his own trend when drafting Banks, who's been very good. So there's some hope he will keep it real to himself and keep getting better.

Our starting roster is overall excellent the next few years minus the o line.
3 of the first 4 picks should be best OL available. In fact they need to get in the habit of drafting o line way more. We have 12 picks? Should be 5 o line. 2 run stuffing DT. 2 secondary , 1 te, 1 speed wr. And then a bpa

That volume of o line bodies alone gives us a chance of hitting on one every year.

Isn't enough breadth of talent to take 5. 3 maybe 4. I don't want reaches just because.

I do agree they need to prioritize the OLine more, now that you finally have your franchise QB. It may be too late considering Brock's contract is up in about two years, and it takes a year or more, to get a rookie starting Offensive tackle to get up to speed - assuming it's a decent pick, and not a bust.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
once we go down the left side of the OL we fall to NYG tier
complete turnstile and that's when QBs start getting hit and RBs can't punch it in on the goalline,

Once you lose 2 starters and a backup you look terrible? Imagine that.

You guys mock real deficiencies with quips. Reality is our C is ok, our RG is a weakness and our RT is certainly not a strength at RT, let alone LT. So 3/5s of our OL is between mediocre and suspect.

Agree 💯%, the right side, from the center on to the right tackle is average, and/or slightly above average at best.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I do agree they need to prioritize the OLine more, now that you finally have your franchise QB. It may be too late considering Brock's contract is up in about two years, and it takes a year or more, to get a rookie starting Offensive tackle to get up to speed - assuming it's a decent pick, and not a bust.

Theyll get a better quality tackle this year than in the past. The center will be a development guy if they take one tho.

Certainly can find good competition for McKivitz with the first rounder.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
once we go down the left side of the OL we fall to NYG tier
complete turnstile and that's when QBs start getting hit and RBs can't punch it in on the goalline,

Once you lose 2 starters and a backup you look terrible? Imagine that.

You guys mock real deficiencies with quips. Reality is our C is ok, our RG is a weakness and our RT is certainly not a strength at RT, let alone LT. So 3/5s of our OL is between mediocre and suspect.

True. Not to mention he ignores this OL is always getting injured annually. Only the names change. Well, some names stay the same.

Injuries to Trent is entirely foreseeable. He's been injured in the latter half of every season since 2020, I think. Guess who they picked in the 3rd round this year - a TE.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by luis1985:
The biggest failure of John is the OL. Everyone knew it was the biggest weakness but didn't address it as it should have been. Without Trent this is a bottom 5 ranked OL. Crazy.

I think it's funny that everyone on this forum says the same thing every year. We need to draft O linemen. Then the draft rolls around and everyone wants some WR or edge rusher.

Haha. There is a lot of truth to this. OL ain't sexy..

Agree, it's not sexy, but that's where (I think) 70% of the game is. The skill position players can't even get to the starting line if the OLine and DLines don't do their jobs.

Yup. Like BT says, the OL (and PP) is 5-7 of the 11 players on the field.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
You are absolutely 💯 correct. When we don't draft o lineman and take other flyers on a RB or other skill positions and forget the line this is what happens. I jinxed the game saying the OLine was good after bashing it all pre season and again I was wrong. It goes back to Kyle's ego thinking he can scheme away from bad OLine play. We see time again and again when we play good physical defenses we get our asses kicked.

Unfortunately I probably will not see the niners win another Superbowl in my lifetime. This year minus the O line we had the players to win it all. I just hope we did not ruin Purdy with this O line. I have argued this over and over again.

NC is correct you need both a top o line and QB we saw what happened last night when we don't have that. Dammit I thought this may be our year.

Baltimore o line wasn't impressive at all. Lamar made everything happen out of structure for most part.

I don't disagree however Lamar did not need that kind of line protection. Purdy, Montana, Brady type QBs do.