49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by random49er:
Only NC thinks this OL could end up top 2-3 in the league at season's end (his words a week ago,... not mine).

No one else has said such and we universally want a younger guy in there developing into a possible LT.

Could use a center upgrade as well.

Hasanyone not been on board with a tackle upgrade even through all the wins?

Forgive me for not understanding the thought process of crying about what is already known whenever we lose a game (that our QB clearly played bad in, btw).

that was part of my convo, I was saying, ok, if the OL is getting boosted in the ranks, by virtue of BP playing well, to me that's not the OL doing better, it's BP playing well. A good QB, who climbs the pocket, makes a play, averts a sack, can make the OL look better than it is. Gotta evaluate in isolation. I've seen high level QB play, and mediocre OL play, from all but TW, and to a lesser degree, Banks.

Halapoulivaati Vaitai Might be a guy to look at in FA. Can play RG and RT., dealt with injuries which could lower the price.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that was part of my convo, I was saying, ok, if the OL is getting boosted in the ranks, by virtue of BP playing well, to me that's not the OL doing better, it's BP playing well. A good QB, who climbs the pocket, makes a play, averts a sack, can make the OL look better than it is. Gotta evaluate in isolation. I've seen high level QB play, and mediocre OL play, from all but TW, and to a lesser degree, Banks.

Yeah, it's really hard sometimes to separate the OLine from the QB play. Very hard. They are integrated in most modern day offenses. I simply don't think our OLine is better than average at this point - with the injury to Trent, I would venture to say it's subpar in a lot of ways.

What I can say is that this OLine *WITH* Purdy *and* the kind of scheme Kyle employs is good enough to win a lot of games, and possibly the super bowl - if they (ShanaLynch) are both smarter about how they employ their personnel and game plans. (get Arik back, and get Trent Back, and have a more conservative game plan) It's not a *bad* line, but it's not at the level of the Eagles line, either.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that was part of my convo, I was saying, ok, if the OL is getting boosted in the ranks, by virtue of BP playing well, to me that's not the OL doing better, it's BP playing well. A good QB, who climbs the pocket, makes a play, averts a sack, can make the OL look better than it is. Gotta evaluate in isolation. I've seen high level QB play, and mediocre OL play, from all but TW, and to a lesser degree, Banks.

Yeah, it's really hard sometimes to separate the OLine from the QB play. Very hard. They are integrated in most modern day offenses. I simply don't think our OLine is better than average at this point - with the injury to Trent, I would venture to say it's subpar in a lot of ways.

What I can say is that this OLine *WITH* Purdy *and* the kind of scheme Kyle employs is good enough to win a lot of games, and possibly the super bowl - if they (ShanaLynch) are both smarter about how they employ their personnel and game plans. (get Arik back, and get Trent Back, and have a more conservative game plan) It's not a *bad* line, but it's not at the level of the Eagles line, either.

I think we can certainly win the SB, in fact, I view us as the favorite. Now that's with a healthy OL. If TW is out, we move from favorite, to another team in the field, imo. It's a big blow. I am optimistic, that TW can miss this game, and the LA game, and we can still hopefully win out and get the bye. That's three weeks off.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Do we have to have the worst offensive line of all competitors every single year?

Worst OLine, Worst Playcaller. Your usual fallbacks.

It's helpful to actually watch the games.

It's amazing some folks still give us s**t for simply saying the o line is bad. It's the crutch of this roster.

It's not like we're even trying to pick a fight or insult Kyle. We love him but the truth is the o line has been neglected.

Purdy is amazing but there's only so much a qb can do without protection. The ravens played a fantastic scheme against our tendencies. Out-coached and outmatched along the line.

"Purdy is amazing but..." ---this is the problem right here. He is already a SuperHero in your mind.

He can do no wrong. He cant possibly have a bad start to a game where a large chunk of the blame is on him.

He is amazing and that's that.

Then you point directly towards everyone without a jersey you plan to buy.

Same recycled story whenever we lose. Does it not get old?

We got beat by a better team. Period.

He's a Super hero with a Kryptonite medallion with big letters OL. It's Kyle's way to think he can get by having a horrendous O line minus TW.

The team needs to be better as a whole however when the hero goes down they are left with no lead to take out Lex Luther.

Remove the Kryptonite medallion.

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Do we have to have the worst offensive line of all competitors every single year?

I've seen our Oline ranked 25th-22nd in various capacities somewhat recently, and even a bump up to 20th after the Cardinals game--but they suck.

Without TW I could see us being in the bottom 3,easily.

Yes I agree.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
It's amazing some folks still give us s**t for simply saying the o line is bad. It's the crutch of this roster.

It's not like we're even trying to pick a fight or insult Kyle. We love him but the truth is the o line has been neglected.

Purdy is amazing but there's only so much a qb can do without protection. The ravens played a fantastic scheme against our tendencies. Out-coached and outmatched along the line.

We can only run the football on the left side behind Trent. And it always cracks me up that people think this is a good thing.

We do this out of necessity because our right side f**king sucks balls

That is right.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, I thought that would be the gameplan too, but I was wrong. McVay has won a super bowl and Kyle hasn't - I think - for a reason. McVay came out running against the Ravens and nearly beat them. I think the current difference between McVay and Kyle is that Kyle is much more aggressive and tends to try to outthink the opposition, whereas McVay will try to out-execute you and out-thinking you is not his main focus. IMO.

Running right at the Ravens is the way to go. It was working and we abandoned it. Letting them tee off with pass rush is a bad idea.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Do we have to have the worst offensive line of all competitors every single year?

I've seen our Oline ranked 25th-22nd in various capacities somewhat recently, and even a bump up to 20th after the Cardinals game--but they suck.

Without TW I could see us being in the bottom 3,easily.

Yes I agree.

Without TW and Banks, I was getting flashbacks to watching NYG football this season, you drop the QB back and you have zero chance it seems,
this is where we lean on the scheme of KS, he needs concepts where we get it out quick to our playmakers, or max protect, whatever he needs to do, to compensate.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Running right at the Ravens is the way to go. It was working and we abandoned it. Letting them tee off with pass rush is a bad idea.

You can't run down 21 in the 4th quarter. Went from 4 down to 18 down in 4 offensive plays.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Running right at the Ravens is the way to go. It was working and we abandoned it. Letting them tee off with pass rush is a bad idea.

You can't run down 21 in the 4th quarter. Went from 4 down to 18 down in 4 offensive plays.

We were down by like 1 score at one point. I believe it was 4 points. We abandoned the run and didn't have to.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Do we have to have the worst offensive line of all competitors every single year?

I've seen our Oline ranked 25th-22nd in various capacities somewhat recently, and even a bump up to 20th after the Cardinals game--but they suck.

Without TW I could see us being in the bottom 3,easily.

Yes I agree.

Without TW and Banks, I was getting flashbacks to watching NYG football this season, you drop the QB back and you have zero chance it seems,
this is where we lean on the scheme of KS, he needs concepts where we get it out quick to our playmakers, or max protect, whatever he needs to do, to compensate.

It's hopeless without those 2.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We were down by like 1 score at one point. I believe it was 4 points. We abandoned the run and didn't have to.

Yes and they went 3 and out on the first drive then the 4th pick happened on the 4th play I believe. First play out of halftime was a run. That's not abandoning.

Again you spend all week saying it's unfair that Mac is even considered for MVP and now they needed to use him more?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that was part of my convo, I was saying, ok, if the OL is getting boosted in the ranks, by virtue of BP playing well, to me that's not the OL doing better, it's BP playing well. A good QB, who climbs the pocket, makes a play, averts a sack, can make the OL look better than it is. Gotta evaluate in isolation. I've seen high level QB play, and mediocre OL play, from all but TW, and to a lesser degree, Banks.

Only one person has made the counter argument as Random pointed out. Very clear QBs make the OLs look better. Lamar avoided like 4 sacks on his own.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We were down by like 1 score at one point. I believe it was 4 points. We abandoned the run and didn't have to.

Yes and they went 3 and out on the first drive then the 4th pick happened on the 4th play I believe. First play out of halftime was a run. That's not abandoning.

Again you spend all week saying it's unfair that Mac is even considered for MVP and now they needed to use him more?

You have to understand match ups and Shanahan doesn't. In this game you run right at the Ravens. You don't let that awesome defense tee off and pass rush you.