49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
The Caveats keep growing 😂

What subject matter expert with a paywall will we need to read only the free stuff of to determine who the tier one Qbs are I wonder.

Lol what a f**king joke.

You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

I thhink the Panthers claimed him yesterday

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
Because they are picking them at the end.

4eva challenged you to "pick" without the use of hindsight for once. As we all see, you have no opinion to share in advance.

You are selling something over and over that you never come through on,....and reversing the question back to doubters.

If the Ravens win the next two games and Thorn undeservedly promotes the Ravens O line to tier 1 on the back of Lamar making them look better than they are that's what he'll lean on.

He picked the Eagles and Lions on the strength of their O Lines not qbs. Just gotta own it.

No, I made a bet because the last 7 years the Superbowl winner just magically came from a team within their tier 1. So I stuck with that for year 8 for fun since that's been half the proven formula.

I'm not sure how your silly brain draws OL > QB from that. The previous winners all had tier 1 QB's also. That combination is the winning formula not just the OL. That's been 1/2 of the formula.

This year, I'd easily say Brock + Mahomes > Hurts + Goff and both are in the OL tier 2 currently.

It's not a formula. They are the ones using a formula.

What you are using is what we call "propaganda." 🤣

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

Thought we had the worst talent in the league . Why would a team call up one of our guys?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

Bummer. Hope they give him a shot.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

I don't think anyone believes our O line is a strength of this offense. But they have been good enough to help us win 73% of our games this season. If we aren't praising them when we win, we shouldn't chastise them when we lose. Because if they aren't a reason for our wins than they aren't a reason for our losses.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

The OL is fine this year.

We also need to invest in the OL.

Both can be true.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Same, I also have my doubts, agree with NC, that this organization - in the past - hadn't prioritized the Offensive line as compared to the DLine, RB, WR, QB, and LB's squads (for example).

I think Manning will be a gem if given the chance, but again - just with anyone that's undrafted, it's a long shot.

I don't think the 49ers are too far off being a top of the line Offensive Line. (assuming Trent plays for another year) then they just need an Right Tackle and decent Center and if they can sign Feliciano to a two year contract, and draft some OLinemen in next years draft - I think they can begin to stack the OLine talent as they have done with the DLine.

All bets are off if Trent retires though.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

I don't think anyone believes our O line is a strength of this offense. But they have been good enough to help us win 73% of our games this season. If we aren't praising them when we win, we shouldn't chastise them when we lose. Because if they aren't a reason for our wins than they aren't a reason for our losses.

Agree, as compared to last year - this years OLine (I think) has more depth and talent. That was a playoff offensive line last year. The upgrades are at Right Tackle (McKivitz) and Feliciano at right guard. Good players - obviously not hall of fame level like Trent Williams though.

Having said that, this isn't near elite in my opinion. There are better offensive line squads in the NFL. Purdy and scheme have a lot to do with this line performing good enough to win a lot of games. Superbowl? Maybe, but they have to do better against top teams like the Ravens. I think they can, on rematch, do better.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

He was called up before by the Cardinals and got cut. Lets not act like he's the second coming of Anthony Munoz.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
OL used to be a group position that could stack up with the DL and either be dominant against them or very much hold their own.

It hasn't been the case anymore for 20-30+ years. Every player / coach will tell you how much more DL players are better than OL players from an athletic POV compared to previous eras. Then you add to that holding rules that now get enforced, the OL is at a big disadvantage. Obviously you have your outliers on the OL, but they are much much fewer compared to the DL.

You need at least above average athletic players on the OL, but most importantly they have to be able to think as well. It's a good mix between, scheme, players, play calling, and QB, when it comes to the OL now days. It doesn't matter how talented your OL is if you're going up against a good DL / good scheme, the QB won't be able to just sit back in the pocket and do what he wants.

I disagree with that, but for the reasons you point out. I agree that the DL's are superior to the OL's, but the league in general wants points, which is why they've generally made rules in favour of that side of the ball for 45+ years. The OL is holding far more than ever, and it's being allowed because the league knows the passing offenses would get neutered, and that would go against their intention.

Mr. GoreGoreGore brings up some great points. But I also disagree with him, same as you Mr. Rick. Defense doesn't know the offensive snap count, and that diminishes the Defense's athletic advantage to a great extent.

Personally, I think the way forward is for the 49ers to not only just draft *more* offensive linemen, but the kind has to change, from smaller athletic OLinemen to bigger (maybe less athletic) OLinemen that can anchor on pass protectons. Here the interior linemen should be able to hold up against bull rushers, and intelligent enough to pick up the stunts and blitzes. I think that necessistates *bigger* offensive linemen, but not necessarilty top of the line athletes. Jon Feliciano was a 4th rounder. Jon still can run block on zone runs, and has done well when he's had to pass protect. He's helped (I think) McKivitz in his play. On offensive tackles - I think you have to get the best player possible - and that means spending a first round pick regardless, on either left/right OT positions.

I think if defenses are going to continue to play more base nickel packages most of the time, bigger offensive linemen have a scheme and size/power advantage over those kinds of defenses on the run and pass plays -- in the future.