49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Same, I also have my doubts, agree with NC, that this organization - in the past - hadn't prioritized the Offensive line as compared to the DLine, RB, WR, QB, and LB's squads (for example).

I think Manning will be a gem if given the chance, but again - just with anyone that's undrafted, it's a long shot.

I don't think the 49ers are too far off being a top of the line Offensive Line. (assuming Trent plays for another year) then they just need an Right Tackle and decent Center and if they can sign Feliciano to a two year contract, and draft some OLinemen in next years draft - I think they can begin to stack the OLine talent as they have done with the DLine.

All bets are off if Trent retires though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, I made a bet because the last 7 years the Superbowl winner just magically came from a team within their tier 1. So I stuck with that for year 8 for fun since that's been half the proven formula.

I'm not sure how your silly brain draws OL > QB from that. The previous winners all had tier 1 QB's also. That combination is the winning formula not just the OL. That's been 1/2 of the formula.

This year, I'd easily say Brock + Mahomes > Hurts + Goff and both are in the OL tier 2 currently.

And what's the other half of the formula? A tier one QB apparently. What is Jared Goff not? A tier one QB.

So if the formula is so important why bet the Lions?

What's never been mentioned in the Brock Purdy thread? Any mention that he needs to be a tier one QB to win the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think you're starting to get it. Why include the Lions? They happened to have been in tier 1 ATT of the bet. I literally spelled that out for you on the post you responded too. You're starting to worry me, man.

Brock is playing at tier 1 even with the poor game. I've been in there for weeks calling him the MVP. You should go in there sometime. LOL

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
But ok if you are really think it requires both who has both right now?

The last 7 winners had both. I just don't see it with Hurts and Goff despite their OL's being in Tier 1 ATM. Brock has clearly played far better but like we've seen several times, even that might not be enough and definitely not if he has an off game.

Both Chiefs (#3) and the Ravens are currently at tier 2 so perhaps they'll have moved up into tier 1 by the end of the season. Even then, Mahomes has not played tier 1 all year. Even Lamar is streaky. Now Brock had a poor game of TO's.

I just don't see a lot of tier 1 consistent play at either OL or QB to date across the league. The difference between 1 and 7 is minimal and shifts weekly.

What do you think?

Thanks for asking me. I think Burrow was well on his way to elite tier 1 territory. They were moving with ease. Then he got hurt. Other than that, Dak was tier 1 but you can't trust him. That may make some people mad, but Dak at his best is elite. He shows up like that maybe 6-7 times a year tho. The rest of the games are average

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

An agenda in this thread? Never

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. The king of the QB agenda.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think you're starting to get it. Why include the Lions? They happened to have been in tier 1 ATT of the bet. I literally spelled that out for you on the post you responded too. You're starting to worry me, man.

Brock is playing at tier 1 even with the poor game. I've been in there for weeks calling him the MVP. You should go in there sometime. LOL

But their QB wasn't. So why pick a team that doesn't have both if you need both?

It's OK. Just own your awful take and move on.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. The king of the QB agenda.

Not in the slightest. I just admit they are the MOST important part.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Same, I also have my doubts, agree with NC, that this organization - in the past - hadn't prioritized the Offensive line as compared to the DLine, RB, WR, QB, and LB's squads (for example).

I think Manning will be a gem if given the chance, but again - just with anyone that's undrafted, it's a long shot.

I don't think the 49ers are too far off being a top of the line Offensive Line. (assuming Trent plays for another year) then they just need an Right Tackle and decent Center and if they can sign Feliciano to a two year contract, and draft some OLinemen in next years draft - I think they can begin to stack the OLine talent as they have done with the DLine.

All bets are off if Trent retires though.

Until this past season the only picks devoted to LB in 5 years were a 3rd and a 5th. Hardly prioritizing LB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

Definitely not. Part of the issue, sure. Brock shouldn't have to be "used to it by now" but that's where we're at. You can't win when you go against your strengths that are working and TO's have as strong of a correlations to W/L's as injuries do. We had both that game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I think you're starting to get it. Why include the Lions? They happened to have been in tier 1 ATT of the bet. I literally spelled that out for you on the post you responded too. You're starting to worry me, man.

Brock is playing at tier 1 even with the poor game. I've been in there for weeks calling him the MVP. You should go in there sometime. LOL

But their QB wasn't. So why pick a team that doesn't have both if you need both?

It's OK. Just own your awful take and move on.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

Definitely not. Part of the issue, sure. Brock shouldn't have to be "used to it by now" but that's where we're at. You can't win when you go against your strengths that are working and TO's have as strong of a correlations to W/L's as injuries do. We had both that game.

Its not about "being used to it". Its about constants vs variables. The O line has performed the same throughout every win and every loss this season. That is the constant. The variable has been turnovers. In our 4 losses we are -8 in the turnover battle. In our 11 wins we are +16. If we protect the ball we win. When we don't we lose.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Sure, while diminishing everything around him at the same time. If a damn tornado swept across the field you'd still dismiss it and blame him for not executing on the last play of the game when coach called for 2 run plays in the huddle.