49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

Damn!

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Damn!

Par for the course.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

Definitely not. Part of the issue, sure. Brock shouldn't have to be "used to it by now" but that's where we're at. You can't win when you go against your strengths that are working and TO's have as strong of a correlations to W/L's as injuries do. We had both that game.

Its not about "being used to it". Its about constants vs variables. The O line has performed the same throughout every win and every loss this season. That is the constant. The variable has been turnovers. In our 4 losses we are -8 in the turnover battle. In our 11 wins we are +16. If we protect the ball we win. When we don't we lose.

Interesting take I don't disagree. If you look at the line in the plays when some of the turnovers occur, their play was poor. Every team has that problem and the game plan and QB was the biggest issue againstthe Ravens. If you look at the turnovers the defense was in the backfield. I just re watched the game and noticed that. Otherwise the O line played fairly well. Brock should channel a little Alex Smith and check down or throw it away, not too much though.

My point was that Brock has been navigating a poor pocket through this entire season. Brock has made more great plays this season with defenses in the backfield than he has poor plays. No one says anything about the O line's poor play when we are dominating teams but as soon as we lose, it becomes the major reason why we lost in the eyes of some.

Got it... yes I agree. Ravens game was not just Oline play as the reason we lost.

I would like to see how Brock does with a little more time before the play breaks down. Would be interesting to see him go through all his progressions simular to Brady who did have good if not great oline play.

The thing is though, Brock averaged more time before being pressured (3.52 seconds) against the ravens than he has averaged throughout this season (3.21 seconds). Yes, the O line gave up a lot of pressures but they were mostly coverage pressures.

Now, I don't think that Brock is completely to blame for the turnovers either. He certainly had his share of poor decisions/throws. But that ravens defense was contesting a majority of Brock's passes. some of them from the coverage down the field. Some of them at the LOS. That first tipped INT, Brock made the correct decision imo. If he hits Deebo on that naked screen, he had 1 guy to beat and its a house call. However, the blitzing corner made a great play on the ball.

This is where I have to give Kyle some of the blame though. Just because you have a QB that can throw it all over the field doesn't mean you should. There is nothing wrong with switching things up. Especially against top ranked pass defenses who are known for getting their hands on the ball. It was really feast or famine with the passing game. Limiting the dropbacks would have resulted in less opportunities for that secondary to get their hands on the ball and for that pass rush to get home. A more balanced attack, I confidently believe, would have had better results.

It did not seem like 3.52 seconds but I trust what your saying. Is that counting his scrambling abilities as well as if he was standing in the pocket?

Your correct Kyle did not call a good game... He did not scheme his recivers where they could not be double covered or have a high safety waiting on the route. He normally has a elite way to get favorable matchups and have the receivers wide open. He did well with Kittle and should have made adjustments to what was working before the game got completely away from them. The rush was too close to the area the QB has to throw as well.

That's another point I think we all see, he should have balanced the play calling to the run game and CMC even if it was quick screens. .

Originally posted by random49er:
It was going to be a focal point either way.

And units can get better,....but the other units don't stay the same. No team is "STRONG" from top to bottom across the board,...and I think you're overdoing it some, seemingly suggesting it's possible.

That's not what's going to happen,....and I can assure you that we wont be able to keep everyone. That's why I'm not into the piling on stuff. Compare our talent to the rest of the league and it's pretty damn impressive.

But this game,...the better team won and we'd be lucky to not have to face them again.

Why is it a focal point if you don't think it's an issue? You come off as if our OL is more than fine….you are correct no team is "strong" everywhere. This team has a weakness and it's the OL. It's okay to admit it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The O line, before the injuries, played no worse than they have all season. Anyone blaming the O line for the loss against the ravens instead of the game plan by the HC and execution by the QB simply has an agenda.

Definitely not. Part of the issue, sure. Brock shouldn't have to be "used to it by now" but that's where we're at. You can't win when you go against your strengths that are working and TO's have as strong of a correlations to W/L's as injuries do. We had both that game.

Its not about "being used to it". Its about constants vs variables. The O line has performed the same throughout every win and every loss this season. That is the constant. The variable has been turnovers. In our 4 losses we are -8 in the turnover battle. In our 11 wins we are +16. If we protect the ball we win. When we don't we lose.

Interesting take I don't disagree. If you look at the line in the plays when some of the turnovers occur, their play was poor. Every team has that problem and the game plan and QB was the biggest issue againstthe Ravens. If you look at the turnovers the defense was in the backfield. I just re watched the game and noticed that. Otherwise the O line played fairly well. Brock should channel a little Alex Smith and check down or throw it away, not too much though.

My point was that Brock has been navigating a poor pocket through this entire season. Brock has made more great plays this season with defenses in the backfield than he has poor plays. No one says anything about the O line's poor play when we are dominating teams but as soon as we lose, it becomes the major reason why we lost in the eyes of some.

Got it... yes I agree. Ravens game was not just Oline play as the reason we lost.

I would like to see how Brock does with a little more time before the play breaks down. Would be interesting to see him go through all his progressions simular to Brady who did have good if not great oline play.

The thing is though, Brock averaged more time before being pressured (3.52 seconds) against the ravens than he has averaged throughout this season (3.21 seconds). Yes, the O line gave up a lot of pressures but they were mostly coverage pressures.

Now, I don't think that Brock is completely to blame for the turnovers either. He certainly had his share of poor decisions/throws. But that ravens defense was contesting a majority of Brock's passes. some of them from the coverage down the field. Some of them at the LOS. That first tipped INT, Brock made the correct decision imo. If he hits Deebo on that naked screen, he had 1 guy to beat and its a house call. However, the blitzing corner made a great play on the ball.

This is where I have to give Kyle some of the blame though. Just because you have a QB that can throw it all over the field doesn't mean you should. There is nothing wrong with switching things up. Especially against top ranked pass defenses who are known for getting their hands on the ball. It was really feast or famine with the passing game. Limiting the dropbacks would have resulted in less opportunities for that secondary to get their hands on the ball and for that pass rush to get home. A more balanced attack, I confidently believe, would have had better results.

It did not seem like 3.52 seconds but I trust what your saying. Is that counting his scrambling abilities as well as if he was standing in the pocket?

Your correct Kyle did not call a good game... He did not scheme his recivers where they could not be double covered or have a high safety waiting on the route. He normally has a elite way to get favorable matchups and have the receivers wide open. He did well with Kittle and should have made adjustments to what was working before the game got completely away from them. The rush was too close to the area the QB has to throw as well.

That's another point I think we all see, he should have balanced the play calling to the run game and CMC even if it was quick screens. .

What it seems like and what was actually recorded are two different things. One is an opinion while the other is actual data.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The thing is though, Brock averaged more time before being pressured (3.52 seconds) against the ravens than he has averaged throughout this season (3.21 seconds). Yes, the O line gave up a lot of pressures but they were mostly coverage pressures.

Now, I don't think that Brock is completely to blame for the turnovers either. He certainly had his share of poor decisions/throws. But that ravens defense was contesting a majority of Brock's passes. some of them from the coverage down the field. Some of them at the LOS. That first tipped INT, Brock made the correct decision imo. If he hits Deebo on that naked screen, he had 1 guy to beat and its a house call. However, the blitzing corner made a great play on the ball.

This is where I have to give Kyle some of the blame though. Just because you have a QB that can throw it all over the field doesn't mean you should. There is nothing wrong with switching things up. Especially against top ranked pass defenses who are known for getting their hands on the ball. It was really feast or famine with the passing game. Limiting the dropbacks would have resulted in less opportunities for that secondary to get their hands on the ball and for that pass rush to get home. A more balanced attack, I confidently believe, would have had better results.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

You speak as if this staying on script thing only applies to the 49ers. I don't give a crap how good your O line is. If your receivers aren't getting separation and your QB is having a bad day, there is a really high chance your not going to win that game. Just look at the eagles O line. They gave Hurts forever and a day against us but because their receivers couldn't consistently separate and their QB couldn't stay on script, they got beat by 23 points. They again got beat by 20 points against the cowboys and also lost to the seahawks. The same thing can be said for the lions against the ravens and bears. The same argument can be made for the ravens against the steelers and colts. Same thing can be said for just about any team in the NFL. An offense that cannot stay on script typically loses the game.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

You speak as if this staying on script thing only applies to the 49ers. I don't give a crap how good your O line is. If your receivers aren't getting separation and your QB is having a bad day, there is a really high chance your not going to win that game. Just look at the eagles O line. They gave Hurts forever and a day against us but because their receivers couldn't consistently separate and their QB couldn't stay on script, they got beat by 23 points. They again got beat by 20 points against the cowboys and also lost to the seahawks. The same thing can be said for the lions against the ravens and bears. The same argument can be made for the ravens against the steelers and colts. Same thing can be said for just about any team in the NFL. An offense that cannot stay on script typically loses the game.

Yup. I should have expanded on that and noted that staying on script per how your team is built. For us, that's team run blocking, specifically. Whether you choose to go away from that by design or it's taken away from you, that'll push you out of your strengths and the ability to stay on script. That always increases the likelihood of a loss. Hence your frustration with the game plan last week.

I'm always a little suspect of OL rankings. There are a lot of factors that come into play. Things like the one on one matchups. Sometimes they just favor the defense. The play calls can make an O line look better than it really is. Field conditions. Are the receivers getting open quickly or are the linemen being forced to protect longer. The officials. Some crews call holding way more than others. Injuries. How many are playing hurt? What type of injury? Having one dominant lineman like Williams can make the line look better than it is or worse if he goes out with an injury. Having a QB like Brock that gets the ball out quickly can make the line look better. So can having a RB like CMC who finds the holes and hit them quickly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

|

Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

You speak as if this staying on script thing only applies to the 49ers. I don't give a crap how good your O line is. If your receivers aren't getting separation and your QB is having a bad day, there is a really high chance your not going to win that game. Just look at the eagles O line. They gave Hurts forever and a day against us but because their receivers couldn't consistently separate and their QB couldn't stay on script, they got beat by 23 points. They again got beat by 20 points against the cowboys and also lost to the seahawks. The same thing can be said for the lions against the ravens and bears. The same argument can be made for the ravens against the steelers and colts. Same thing can be said for just about any team in the NFL. An offense that cannot stay on script typically loses the game.

Yup. I should have expanded on that and noted that staying on script per how your team is built. For us, that's team run blocking, specifically. Whether you choose to go away from that by design or it's taken away from you, that'll push you out of your strengths and the ability to stay on script. That always increases the likelihood of a loss. Hence your frustration with the game plan last week.

What you are refering to is an offense that gets behind and has to pass the ball exclusively to try and come back. If you look at games where the offense falls behind 8+ points in the 4th quarter, the win% is s**t for everyone. Not just the 49ers. You keep speaking in generalities as if it only applies to the 49ers but the poor results in those circumstances are league wide.

Yea. I believe we should have come out running the ball down their throats just like the rams did. I truly believe that. However, it had nothing to do with the 49ers offensive line. It had everything to do with the ravens secondary and their ability to defend passes.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You know who could've really helped when we had hits at inside and outside OL depth?

Ilm Manning.

It's time to call him up. He's better at tackle than Burford, period.

Funny you mention Manning, cause he signed yesterday with the Panthers 53-man roster, he's gone.

GREAT. SON OF A B

I mean he clearly isn't that great. He's been on multiple teams and not stuck.

Despite all the crying in here about how s**tty it is, they have one of the best offensives in the league.

Anyone with a set of eyeballs knows our OL is not good this yr. Regardless of what "stats" people want to toss out there. The scheme and talent around them covers up a lot of the questionable talent.

our OL is what it is this yr, hopefully they actually decide to invest in legit talent in the off season. We will see, I have my doubts.

Preach!

So you agree with him that our OL is not good this year? What about all that jive you were selling here just a few days ago??

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Originally posted by NCommand:
TrenchWarfare (Brandon Thorn).

The 9ers OL has moved into tier 2 for the first time this year!

OL Rankings – Week 16
Tier 1: Elite
1. Eagles
2. Lions
Tier 2: Very Good
3. Chiefs
4. Bucs
5. 49ers

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Not only did you not object last week regarding our OLine being so good,...but you even went a step further and said about our OLine having the potential to ...

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't know if they'll make tier 1 by the end of the year but it's going to be close. Add an MVP QB to that play and you've got really good odds.

So "Preach" what? That our OL is not good this year,....or that they may be considered Tier 1 at the close of the season???

Haha as more and more are seeing,....it's all about which way the wind is currently blowing for the week,....and you REALLY WILL spin things whatever way you feel you have to to gain attention here.

The OL isn't great and anyone who's objective can see that. I have no idea what thorne's rankings are currently…love for someone who pays for his stuff to break it down.

5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

You speak as if this staying on script thing only applies to the 49ers. I don't give a crap how good your O line is. If your receivers aren't getting separation and your QB is having a bad day, there is a really high chance your not going to win that game. Just look at the eagles O line. They gave Hurts forever and a day against us but because their receivers couldn't consistently separate and their QB couldn't stay on script, they got beat by 23 points. They again got beat by 20 points against the cowboys and also lost to the seahawks. The same thing can be said for the lions against the ravens and bears. The same argument can be made for the ravens against the steelers and colts. Same thing can be said for just about any team in the NFL. An offense that cannot stay on script typically loses the game.

Yup. I should have expanded on that and noted that staying on script per how your team is built. For us, that's team run blocking, specifically. Whether you choose to go away from that by design or it's taken away from you, that'll push you out of your strengths and the ability to stay on script. That always increases the likelihood of a loss. Hence your frustration with the game plan last week.

What you are refering to is an offense that gets behind and has to pass the ball exclusively to try and come back. If you look at games where the offense falls behind 8+ points in the 4th quarter, the win% is s**t for everyone. Not just the 49ers. You keep speaking in generalities as if it only applies to the 49ers but the poor results in those circumstances are league wide.

Yea. I believe we should have come out running the ball down their throats just like the rams did. I truly believe that. However, it had nothing to do with the 49ers offensive line. It had everything to do with the ravens secondary and their ability to defend passes.

Actually the Niners are the only team since 2017 that hasn't won a game like that. Of course they haven't trailed by 8 or more very often in that period.

Originally posted by NCommand:
5th. End of tier 2 (before the injuries). They just moved up two weeks ago. I can see random's stupid post now unfortunately. It's like reading the tabloids. SMH.

It's pretty simple. This has been a steady and consistent OL. Several teams above and below have been moving up/down d/t key injuries and performance. The 9ers have moved from 23rd to start to 5th on a steady incline.

But the truth is, that's as a result of staying on script. Kyle and this team's personnel are really good at staying on script and winning 75% of the games that way.

But we're not here to lay concerns over that. That's always been the case. The concern is being "good enough" to win a Superbowl. If this team can't stay on script, we all know that plays right into our biggest weakness and that usually ends in a L. That's our Achilles heal.

You've always got a shot to win it all with a QB who's playing at an MVP level, a tier 1 DL and tier 2 OL ATM. Let's see how it goes. Whether this ends in groundhog day again or not, we can all agree that OL needs to finally be the top priority next off season. Will ShanaLynch see it that way? Call me skeptical.

You and I have debated OL for years lol. I said what makes them serviceable is the scheme, which it has.

You said we need better talent for those situations when you can't scheme pass-pro, which is true.

It needs to be a priority. We will see.