49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya don't say.

You need both.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya don't say.

You need both.

Your betting history suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya don't say.

You need both.

Your betting history suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by NCommand:
For a league that doesn't pump out a ton of depth on the OL, kudos to the Redskins makeshift OL. They looked far better than their starters.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm always a little suspect of OL rankings. There are a lot of factors that come into play. Things like the one on one matchups. Sometimes they just favor the defense. The play calls can make an O line look better than it really is. Field conditions. Are the receivers getting open quickly or are the linemen being forced to protect longer. The officials. Some crews call holding way more than others. Injuries. How many are playing hurt? What type of injury? Having one dominant lineman like Williams can make the line look better than it is or worse if he goes out with an injury. Having a QB like Brock that gets the ball out quickly can make the line look better. So can having a RB like CMC who finds the holes and hit them quickly.

Agree to a certain extent. I don't think Tier rankings appreciate the matchups vs defensive line personnel. Having said that, it does take into account the fact that the offensive line is a unit, and if every one in that unit doesn't do their job, one guy for example, the whole line fails most of the time in it's job.

Officials are reviewed by the NFL head office, and also those botched calls (and no calls) I think are also part of their review and grading system. I would hope that the NFL head office strives to make the officiating as consistent as possible. Otherwise, I think there could be a charge of fraud and corruption in the making if it's not so - specially with all the gambling surrounding each and every NFL game.

This is really a per peeve of mine and I imagine the players and coaches as well. We see this in all ports. Some NBA games are a constant trip to the foul line and others they let them play. You can't tell me that in some game there are 50 or more personal fouls committed and hardly any in another game. Players don'tplay that differently from one game to the next. In baseball every umpire has his own interpretation of the strike zone instead of calling it the way the rules say.

Football is the worst because there is s much contact with 22 players to watch . The speed and size that often obstructs views make it even harder. We see game where PI is hardly called at all then we see games where they throw flags all the time. Same with holding. Personal fouls are completely open to interpretation. Was the hit too high or too late. Too many penalties in the NFL are nearly impossible to call live so they have to stop the action and review play after play. They need to have penalties but I think the NFL is over officiated way too often. Save the flags for severe and obvious infractions. Too many games are decided of impacted by over zealous crews.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think there is one poster on here that doesn't think we should dedicate heavy draft capital to the O line.

My work here is done then. Haha.

Haha

I mean if we all agree they need to dedicate a lot capital to the OL…then the OL is clearly not that good

I just want to make it clear that this conversation shouldn't be like god and the devil. Where everything good is because of god (Kyle's sceme) and everything bad is because of the devil (O line). We have won 73% of our games this season with this O line. That includes 6 wins against teams currently sitting in playoff seeding. If we don't win a SB it won't solely be because of the devil. Do we need to upgrade the O line? Absolutely. But blaming everything on the O line everytime things don't go our way is a bs excuse and really just a narrative that a select few like to drive.

If you take the game to the Superbowl level, and typically a Superbowl team usually has very little to no weaknesses - then that's a different measuring stick. I think to win a Superbowl, you need all three at very good to elite level. (OLine, QB, and Coaching). We're not talking about an average regular season game here where the 49ers OLine has won 73% of their games. We're talking super bowl level matchups. If the Ravens vs 49ers *was* the championship game, we would have lost our 3rd super bowl. Having said that there are schematic and personnel changes, that ShanaLynch can do to have a better chance in February - but at this point given our current OLine (even if all were healthy) I wouldn't feel very confident about the OLine going into another Ravens vs 49ers championship game.

GTFOH! Every team has weaknesses. The SB comes down to injuries and matchups.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If the Bears and Giants happened to have been in tier 1 ATT, I would have taken them too. Stick with the formula until proven otherwise. You're 0-7. I see why you didn't take the bet.

Originally posted by random49er:


I annoyingly said all week that we simply got beat by a better team last week.

Wondering if anyone is willing just yet to believe it?

Sometimes we complicate simple matters.

We'll need to improve in some areas if we're to face them again.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If the Bears and Giants happened to have been in tier 1 ATT, I would have taken them too. Stick with the formula until proven otherwise. You're 0-7. I see why you didn't take the bet.

So the formula really is tier 1 OL and who cares at QB. But you need both.

Finally some honesty.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think there is one poster on here that doesn't think we should dedicate heavy draft capital to the O line.

My work here is done then. Haha.

Haha

I mean if we all agree they need to dedicate a lot capital to the OL…then the OL is clearly not that good

I just want to make it clear that this conversation shouldn't be like god and the devil. Where everything good is because of god (Kyle's sceme) and everything bad is because of the devil (O line). We have won 73% of our games this season with this O line. That includes 6 wins against teams currently sitting in playoff seeding. If we don't win a SB it won't solely be because of the devil. Do we need to upgrade the O line? Absolutely. But blaming everything on the O line everytime things don't go our way is a bs excuse and really just a narrative that a select few like to drive.

If you take the game to the Superbowl level, and typically a Superbowl team usually has very little to no weaknesses - then that's a different measuring stick. I think to win a Superbowl, you need all three at very good to elite level. (OLine, QB, and Coaching). We're not talking about an average regular season game here where the 49ers OLine has won 73% of their games. We're talking super bowl level matchups. If the Ravens vs 49ers *was* the championship game, we would have lost our 3rd super bowl. Having said that there are schematic and personnel changes, that ShanaLynch can do to have a better chance in February - but at this point given our current OLine (even if all were healthy) I wouldn't feel very confident about the OLine going into another Ravens vs 49ers championship game.

GTFOH! Every team has weaknesses. The SB comes down to injuries and matchups.

Relatively speaking *every team* isn't *elite* at every squad position, but they (Super Bowl teams) generally have *NO* weaknesses - as compared to the average NFL standards. I'm talking the Super Bowl WINNERS, not losers.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
It's always been that. b******ters going to b******t