49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sure take the best available player always. But if a real quality player is available I would not hesitate to pick Offensive Tackle for example. All else being equal. Trent Williams is getting older. But imagine if we keep him like 2 - 3 years more and upgrade our RT to a big, powerful, athletic high draft pick. This team would be unreal. I never liked Leatherood BTW and think he was over drafted.

The guys you listed are mostly off the field problems, drugs, or injuries BTW. But Leatherwood was always overrated and not that good. Choose wisely at any draft pick.

I'm guessing it's 50/50 - if the 49ers win a 6th 🏆, Trent's going to retire. Personally, if I was ShanaLynch, I wouldn't assume Trent's going to be available in 2024 and go into the draft going for three possible OLine picks. One high, one mid, and one late day 3 pick. They have the draft ammo to do it because I'm almost certain Anthony Lynn will be a HC in 2024. Possibly with the Raiders or Washington. That's more draft compensation for the 49ers to invest in the OLine.

They really need some offensive line. I hope they don't keep neglecting it. Imagine a right side like we have on the left side. 16 - 1? 17 - 0?

It's possible I think.

I agree, they need some talent infusion on the OLine. Specifically the right guard (Burford) and depth for either OT's (Trent and McKivitz). I'd Love to have a 2nd round pick offensive tackle if they get 💯% confirmation Trent is *not* retiring. If ShanaLynch gets a "No comment" when 49ers ask Trent about his 2024 plans - I'd be ready to trade some draft picks to get into the top 15 picks in round 1 to get a good OT. 17-0 for sure if ShanaLynch can get a OLine that can do the Tush Push as well as the Eagles!

They seem to really like Bartch, he's a possible starter next year. I think they let Ilm Manning go because they got Bartch. Feliciano, can be signed - I think - if Chase/Gregory or whoever gives us a bit of a break on their market value. Trent, Banks, Brendel is solid. It's the right guard that's really a problem. McKivitz has been solid - except for games against some really good defenses - Steelers/Ravens - for example. But again, he's a young guy and *durable* which I think is important for long terms growth and development. I have a feeling McKivitz will step up in the playoffs and also be a better OT next year due to his durability.

I Got to give kudos to Foerster for being right about McKIvitz and that he's as good (actually I feel he's so much better) than McGlinchy.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm guessing it's 50/50 - if the 49ers win a 6th 🏆, Trent's going to retire. Personally, if I was ShanaLynch, I wouldn't assume Trent's going to be available in 2024 and go into the draft going for three possible OLine picks. One high, one mid, and one late day 3 pick. They have the draft ammo to do it because I'm almost certain Anthony Lynn will be a HC in 2024. Possibly with the Raiders or Washington. That's more draft compensation for the 49ers to invest in the OLine.

Why would Trent not want to win two titles?

He signed a 6 year deal with the expectation to play at least 4 of those. I bet he plays 5.

Originally posted by random49er:
Haha I still dont know of the OL is "bad" as predicted or borderline-Tier 1 as predicted. Anyone have an answer yet?

Or do we wait for that and all of the other yearly post-predictions to be released around SB time?

He predicted a 10-7 season so clearly not as bad as originally predicted.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm guessing it's 50/50 - if the 49ers win a 6th 🏆, Trent's going to retire. Personally, if I was ShanaLynch, I wouldn't assume Trent's going to be available in 2024 and go into the draft going for three possible OLine picks. One high, one mid, and one late day 3 pick. They have the draft ammo to do it because I'm almost certain Anthony Lynn will be a HC in 2024. Possibly with the Raiders or Washington. That's more draft compensation for the 49ers to invest in the OLine.

Why would Trent not want to win two titles?

He signed a 6 year deal with the expectation to play at least 4 of those. I bet he plays 5.

You can't assume anything with Trent. It's a year by year thing with him. Do you bank on him playing next year, or do you assume he's not going to be available and draft accordingly? Specially with left tackle being a really key part of this OLine and Kyle's scheme. If you don't shore up the OLine, and just assume he's going to play till he's forty, then you might get caught flatfooted the way Staley retired despite still being able to play at a high level. Also as he ages he's getting more and more injured. You have to make sure when Trent calls it quits, you have somebody there to take his place. I don't think you can assume he plays till he's 40 in my opinion.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can't assume anything with Trent. It's a year by year thing with him.

What basis do you have for this? Has he had back issues we don't know about? Or you're just saying stuff?

It is year to year with everyone in the NFL but what is your deal regarding Trent? Dude looks like he's having the time of his life. Anything tangible?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm guessing it's 50/50 - if the 49ers win a 6th 🏆, Trent's going to retire. Personally, if I was ShanaLynch, I wouldn't assume Trent's going to be available in 2024 and go into the draft going for three possible OLine picks. One high, one mid, and one late day 3 pick. They have the draft ammo to do it because I'm almost certain Anthony Lynn will be a HC in 2024. Possibly with the Raiders or Washington. That's more draft compensation for the 49ers to invest in the OLine.

Why would Trent not want to win two titles?

He signed a 6 year deal with the expectation to play at least 4 of those. I bet he plays 5.

They have a chance to win this year and maybe 1 - 2 more. I think he plays a few more years. He's really the same athlete as of now. No reason to hang it up yet. Lets hope we get another 2 - 3 years of high level play from him and he keeps playing.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can't assume anything with Trent. It's a year by year thing with him. Do you bank on him playing next year, or do you assume he's not going to be available and draft accordingly? Specially with left tackle being a really key part of this OLine and Kyle's scheme. If you don't shore up the OLine, and just assume he's going to play till he's forty, then you might get caught flatfooted the way Staley retired despite still being able to play at a high level. Also as he ages he's getting more and more injured. You have to make sure when Trent calls it quits, you have somebody there to take his place. I don't think you can assume he plays till he's 40 in my opinion.

Staley retired because of his chronic injuries. I haven't heard Trent is dealing with anything chronic.

As I said I expect him back in 24 and probably 25.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
Haha I still dont know of the OL is "bad" as predicted or borderline-Tier 1 as predicted. Anyone have an answer yet?

Or do we wait for that and all of the other yearly post-predictions to be released around SB time?

He predicted a 10-7 season so clearly not as bad as originally predicted.

He also made sure to call it out, again, a few weeks back that they had zero chance to win the SB due to the OL

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Staley retired because of his chronic injuries. I haven't heard Trent is dealing with anything chronic.

As I said I expect him back in 24 and probably 25.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They have a chance to win this year and maybe 1 - 2 more. I think he plays a few more years. He's really the same athlete as of now. No reason to hang it up yet. Lets hope we get another 2 - 3 years of high level play from him and he keeps playing.

I certainly can't read Trent's mindset now, and what it would be in a couple of months, but he's 30 million dollars richer - that's his cap hit since signing the new contract in 2021. His bonus was 50+ Millon, so if he banks 25 million, he can retire without too much pain in his pocket book. He'll be 36 going into next years training camp. If he was a regular offensive tackle football player - they generally retire around age 38. So generally speaking - he should be able to play until 2026 - Physically speaking as long as he stays relatively healthy.

Having said that, he's been injured *A LOT* late in the season - and the NFL is a marathon grind. Does he want to risk the rest of his life having degenerative conditions, CTE etc... or retire with millions in the bank with good health? Specially when you have accomplished all the goals you set out such as winning a championship? I think once he's gotten his super bowl and his hall of fame career is pretty much locked up - and if he's met all his goals for his career, I just don't see anything stopping him from retiring. That is all I'm saying. 49ers have to plan accordingly.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Staley retired because of his chronic injuries. I haven't heard Trent is dealing with anything chronic.

As I said I expect him back in 24 and probably 25.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They have a chance to win this year and maybe 1 - 2 more. I think he plays a few more years. He's really the same athlete as of now. No reason to hang it up yet. Lets hope we get another 2 - 3 years of high level play from him and he keeps playing.

I certainly can't read Trent's mindset now, and what it would be in a couple of months, but he's 30 million dollars richer - that's his cap hit since signing the new contract in 2021. His bonus was 50+ Millon, so if he banks 25 million, he can retire without too much pain in his pocket book. He'll be 36 going into next years training camp. If he was a regular offensive tackle football player - they generally retire around age 38. So generally speaking - he should be able to play until 2026 - Physically speaking as long as he stays relatively healthy.

Having said that, he's been injured *A LOT* late in the season - and the NFL is a marathon grind. Does he want to risk the rest of his life having degenerative conditions, CTE etc... or retire with millions in the bank with good health? Specially when you have accomplished all the goals you set out such as winning a championship? I think once he's gotten his super bowl and his hall of fame career is pretty much locked up - and if he's met all his goals for his career, I just don't see anything stopping him from retiring. That is all I'm saying. 49ers have to plan accordingly.

Either way, let's not get caught in this situation again.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

How much of that has to do with how quick Brock gets rid of the ball?

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

He also drops back at a lower rate than anyone else. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the O line has been horrible or anything. I am just pointing out that scheme has as much to do with it as anything else.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

He also drops back at a lower rate than anyone else. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the O line has been horrible or anything. I am just pointing out that scheme has as much to do with it as anything else.

i was specifically looking at pressure % which normalizes to dropbacks

Originally posted by Patton:
How much of that has to do with how quick Brock gets rid of the ball?

a lot obviously but i will say we throw the ball deep a lot and there have been times where we have route concepts that take a while and for the most part the pocket does a clean job

there are times where guys flat out beat our guys but for most part, the OL has been very good year around. The only real exception was browns game where Garrett played against an injured Trent Williams